The thing is that even if he wasn't to blame for the accident, (as it's certainly not unknown for an elderly driver to suffer from a heart attack) there's always the possibility that he wouldn't have acquired a sufficient amount of experience and driving skill which may have helped him to avoid a collision.
|| cheers, || clive
well that is really responsible isn't it. stop them breeding till they can prove they are responsible, and no more than two passengers if the driver is a learner (covers driving school habits) plus learner vehicles must be restricted to 40mph
mrcheerful
Well I'll give 10/10 to the d*****ad that started all of this with his pre-pubescent comments, nice work you sick bastard.
I couldn't agree with you more, but IMO the trouble is that many of the punishments handed out appear to be absolutely pathetic.
I've seen cases where people who haven't had any form of valid drivers licence (in some cases because they are too young to own one) and who have maybe seriously injured or even killed someone in a stolen vehicle, have almost unbelievably as part of their punishment received a three-year driving ban!
Surely depending on the circumstances, anything from a twenty-year to a lifetime ban would be good for starters?
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mrcheerful. ( snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :
Right.
So learners cannot "make sufficient progress" on NSL roads, and instructors need two vehicles if they're going to be doing post-test motorway lessons.
Sometimes you can say the most stupid things.
Malc ( snipped-for-privacy@lightindigooverthere.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :
Welcome to Usenet.
How do you figure that 5 people in an Escort is overloaded?
"Dave" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@pipex.net:
Nothing wrong with what I said, it's pure conjecture. My theory is as good as any you'll find on usenet.
...especially when one of them was a four-month old baby...
Chris
Yes wasn't really my intention to do that. Just replying to the OP who was.
Who would presumably be strapped into an approved baby carrier (needing a seatbelt). If the Escort has three seat belts in the back then it wouldn't be overloaded but if it only has two then it's more debatable.
No it isn't. It's a 5 seater car.
Why? ATM there is no requirement for every passenger to be secured if there are more bums than seats.
To be *overloaded* would imply the weight of the occupants exceeded the safe limit for the vehicle. Clearly that is not so in this case.
Chris
in the uk there is
no vehicle safe weight has anything to do with it. if a car has four seatbelts then only 4 people can ride in the car, if it has 5 belts then the maximum number of people is 5 ect ect.
Wrong.
You'd be right from September when the new rules come in, IIRC, but for now, you're wrong.
We did all this recently.
No there's not!
Child restraint law changes in September 2006. Basically, all *children* will then need to be correctly secured.
There is a current proposal that will apply to all *adults*, but this would not become law until 2009.
Totally incorrect I'm afraid.
Chris
Out of curiosity, will this also include cars which, for whatever reason, did not have factory fitted rear seat belts? I'm thinking of much older cars at the moment - I remember when I was a kid my dad fitting rear harnesses for us. Potentially, some of those cars may still be going. Probably a theoretical question really.
D
Have a look here (item 14):
Chris
Thanks.
Children under 3 must use the correct baby seat or child seat so they would need to be travelling in the front in the correct child restraint. Children 3 and over must use child seats or boosters in the rear where seat belts are fitted. The law is not going to make people fit restraints in the rear of vehicles where the seats do not have seat belts; but it is not safe for children to ride in the rear of a vehicle without a restraint.
Something I've often wondered about though are buses. Whilst children under 3 have to have a proper seat, there's no provision for them on buses, even the youngest of babies, which would have to be carried in arms. On the bus journeys I've been on, it's common to have sharp braking at some point (causing you to be thrown forward onto the metal bar/seat in front). I'd hate to carry a newborn on a bus!
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