RIP Saab

Apr 27, 2009 226 Replies

Sort of. Lots of people - lots of bearded Saab fans - bemoan the new Saabs as being pale versions of what was an original Saab.

But, what was, or is, an original Saab? Where does the line blend?

I still remember my Dad's '72 99 GL, in that lovely metallic blue. Was that a proper Saab? Even though the engine was from another manufacturer?

Yeah, sort of - but again that depends on what you want from a vehicle. For the most part I don't care how it drives as it's my commute hack, so pretty much anything will do. I'd like something that doesn't want to swap ends on icy roundabouts but otherwise "whatever." I do, however, appreciate a good seat and driving position. I don't need to worry about CO2 or fuel consumption or list price. I like buying GM parts for a Saab. I like that Saabs have a very loyal following, resulting in plenty of specialists, who know the new stuff as well as the old stuff.

Lots of long term Saab fans hated the fact that GM bought Saab and then injected their DNA into the product line up. Actually, no, I think all did. ;-) Would they have wanted Saab to stop making cars and go bust? That so many Saab fans are up in arms that this could happen now says something.

Me? I *like* the fact that my 9-3 Sports Saloon is a decent blend of Saab-ness and Generic (sic) Motors. The car has a far broader appeal, too. I don't deny that it has lost something in this process.

Lots and lots of people buy or pick the Audi because:

It isn't a 3-Series. It isn't a C-Class. It has a low CO2 figure and a great automatic transmission. It isn't a Passat / Vectra / Mondeo.

Besides, I remember driving an early 90. That being the 80 with a five cylinder engine. And an economy gauge, as this was an early 80s machine. That felt... well... more solid than the later A4 feels. And the A4 certainly doesn't feel flimsy by any stretch.

Indeed, there are so very few manufacturers that haven't had their range diluted, that pointing the finger at is a bit of a moot point.

The Alfa Romeo 75 is pig ugly inside and out and with the four cylinder engine, it's also wrong (should have six cylinders) *but* it sounds so much more alive compared with the 156 or even the 155.

155s were - and are, if you can find one - ace to drive. But they're pale compared with earlier stuff. They're quiet and smooth and... just wrong...

Progress.

Here endeth the moan about modern stuff... ;)

Heavily skewed?

1065 Rover 75s. Considerably fewer MGs.

Heavily?

Still had more though. And as it's a Ford engine, it'll still be delivering that power a few years later without dumping its oil on the road.

I only had mione a couple of weeks. And drove it like I stole it, on private roads.

Most fun I ever had in a car.

True-ish.

I like the driving position (strangely), the window switches and radio are in the wrong places, but mine hasn't fallen apart and everything still works, despite being 130k+ miles and 19 years old.

You liked them that much? :)

I bought a 3950, as I remember. Early XScale, 400 MHz, 64 Mb. Operating system was PPC2002. Horrible horrible horrible stability.

Was glad to get back to my ancient Palm device! ;)

Quite. Good to drive, maybe. Not so good to live with. Not good to take pictures of.

Except it would be higher than a monkey.

You believe wrong, unless you think the block qualifies it for the Ecotec badge. The 2.0 has a Saab head, designed for turbocharging, full stop.

The engine is closest to the 2.2 Ecotec in design as I remember, but at that point, my eyes were glazing over. I'm happy enough with "low pressure turbo" to be honest.

No, have you?

(I'm sure you'l claim you have, actually, you usually do)

No. Driven both (MkI and MkII Vectras and pre-facelift 9-3)

No. But you seem to agree with every review. But I suppose you've driven everything.....

Wonder why? - people are bored of the same old s**te re-heated.

Whatever you say..... the Italian government would never let Fiat go under as ours did with our motor industry.

The UK market is an odd one - people buy what their dad bought for generation after generation. It's still a very British thing to avoid 'foreign junk' whilst trying to be 'patriotic' by buying Ford and Vauxhall, even when their products are a pile of steaming s**te.

The Croma as never heralded as a 'new beginning' - Fiat always knew it would be a minority interest car in the UK, but tried it anyway - but RHD production was never planned to be in huge numbers.

It still sells well enough in more enlightened countries, though.

But I don't buy on the strength of badge image - I buy because I like the product. Hence my ownership of several Fiats and Alfas.

I don't buy because the badge makes me look like an 'academic' or whatever s**te is currently being used to justify a purchase.

snipped-for-privacy@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

You are a deformed gibbon, though.

Oh, gawd. I'd forgotten about the radio.

Mine was an auto. Somebody'd fitted one of those complete pull-out stereos.

You could only remove the stereo with the gear selector in 1.

Rubbish.

Bomb-proof mechanicals, driving position is nowhere near as bad as people tell you it is, due to the very adjustable steering column (it's just that you sit very close to the floor for a big-ish saloon), and despite the appearances, they're pretty well built.

Seems to be about right for sub 100k miles with MOT.

Really good ones may fetch a few hundred more - but you're in sub £1k banger territory - at which point most cars don't depreciate any more so long as they're not rotten and have an MOT.

Whatever it is, it's 'the wrong engine'.

But you refused to drive yours as an everyday car because it wasn't up to it.

Stereotypes are the truth. I saw that on the TV. Same show where they showed Alfa Romeos were great fun but fragile. And broke down. A lot.

How so?

Very easily tunable if you want to. Smooth, relaxed, efficient if you don't.

Not to mention that your beloved VAG copied the whole low pressure turbo thing. What were you writing about your B5 Passat 1.8T? How quick? How economical?

Yet it's the wrong engine.

So basically, it's one rule for you and one rule for me, but your only rule is whatever I decide is s**te?

I drove it for, what, 2 years as a daily driver - then Mrs H drove it for another 2 years (or more? - not sure) as a daily driver.

It was only when we bought the first 156 it was taken out of daily action - but even then, before the restoration, it was still used quite often to give me a change from driving the 155 / Passat 1.8T.

Well, if my 2lt 75 is 'the wrong engine', then a Saab with a low pressure lump certainly is.

Your rules, I'm afraid.

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