What's about the same size as a Ka, quicker and has better seats, a rev counter and better handling?

I'd dispute the seats aspect, 'cos I know that Doki is about my size and I cannot fit into the 106 for more than a few minutes without getting an ache in my back.

The handling is subjective, there's probably little in it, the 106s I've tried have all been rather more leery oversteery than the Ka, but to the point of snapping rather than teasing into oversteer.

Would definately have to be point to point speed, not straight line. So I imagine it would mean a Pug (not great inside though).

Might just bolt one onto the dash somewhere. I might even join the klub and ask them... :P

Cheap being circa £1k a year...

Don't want the depreciation.

Bollocks

Also bollocks.

But thanks for proving that you don't understand the term "handling".

Well don't buy a car then. Buy a house :-)

Peter

So why do people say the 205 and MkII golf handle brilliantly???

Handling is more to do with response to input, driver involvement and enjoyment. I reckon my Volvo goes around corners as well as a Cinq Sporting but it would be classed as "not as good handling".

Ah. But you drive a peugeot.

Because it does. Take one onto a track, against other similar cars, and the

I'm not sure that they do ?

They're in a completely different class. "good handling" is defined by reference to the competition.

Precisely why he's qualified to speak. Pug are renowned for their good handling.

Ride and handling, are two COMPLETELY different issues.

A Formula 1 car has the best handling of anything. But the ride is some kind of comedy joke compared to a "normal" car.

Usually, the better the ride (softer suspension), the worse the handling (not firm enough suspension).

Ultimate ride AND handling, is the holy grail of car design :)

Neither is the Ka !

Eh ? The greater the depreciation, the cheaper the car when you buy it !

You can't have fast car, and cheap insurance, and good car, and nice looks, and cheap to buy, and no depreciation, etc. for obvious reasons !

Whatever you buy is a compromise - you need to choose what bits matter, and what bits don't. I buy modern cars, with decent power, that are cheap. Looks and depreciation don't concern me.

You seem to be a bit of a tightwad, so I suggest you find a £500 shitbox.

Agreed, but I couldn't really get comfy in the 106 I drove.

I know, but some cars are generally cheap to insure, others not.

Indeed. The *latest* LuxuryKa still presumably has a fair bit of depreciation to go.

Indeed. 106 looks nice, but I'm not 100% it's worth swapping to one.

Nope, just a bit broke ATM. Think I'll build a Locost instead of swapping cars. Then I can *really* hoon around when I feel the need, and have something 100% reliable (you might say Fords are s*it, but I've only ever broken things by being stupid), with a nice CD player and air con when I don't want to be hooning. Insurance on a Locost is also very cheap when you look at how they perform. I know a couple of people with engineering firms who I can get to help if I get stuck with the welding too :P.

May well do both. :P

I think it may well hope some have some vague automotive or mechanical engineering knowledge before you start trying to build a car...

-- Dan

Nah. I built a computer by buying all the bits and slotting em together (granted, the processor wasn't slotted in properly the first time), so I can build a car :P. If not, I can spend a lot of time swearing at it.

Apologies - that wasn't meant to sound as rude as it did !

Sounds like a top plan :D

Heh. I'm not the one driving around with a blanket on the parcel shelf, in my slippers smoking a pipe. :P

Yeah, if it works when I've bolted it all together. I reckon the most likely outcome is that I'll build something, drive it a bit, notice everything that's wrong with it and have to build another / rebuild. I get a tad pissed off if something I do isn't spot on... Now the only thing to do is find a job to pay for it all.

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I wouldn't worry - I'm sure the nice man from the SVA would notice any problems first ;-)

And of course the closest things are in no particular order:

AMG CL/SL55. Volvo S60/V70R BMW M5 Ferrari 355 Honda NSX

Any other takers?

Cars with insufficient rear grip, front drive cars balanced to oversteer, not my idea of good handling. Cars should be balanced for neutrality, so a front driver should understeer on heavy right foot treatment and a rear driver should oversteer. Both can be then remedied by removing power. Back off on an understeering small peugeot / citroen and a spin ensues, not a problem on a track but these cars aren't about track driving, they're about idiots wanting cheap to buy/run/fix cars who'll loon around on the road with them.

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Y'know, I quite like the MkII golf.