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Toyota and Ford each have approximately 11% of the world's market share. GM does not have 66% or even 33% of it.
What percentage of the auto industry's profits does GM have for the past 1 year, 5 years, or 10 years?
Presumably, the quality of a car model, the more of that model people would buy. They would hear from their neighbors, friends, coworkers, the press, etc., how good a model is, and when they are in the market for a car, they would be more likely to buy the one with good quality reports. In addition, when a model has bad quality reports, they would be less likely to buy one with bad quality reports. A similar thing would happen to makes with good reputations or bad reputations.
Of course, other things influence what model people buy, like how much they like local dealers, price, the price of gas and what cars their daddies bought over the years (some people just buy Ford F150s every five years and have been happy doing that).
Jeff
Mike seems to subscribe to the JD Power stats method---"We'll only focus on this small single area of superiority, and harp on it!"
You are confused. A Toyota with a '4,' as first number of the VIN, as does the American assembled Camry, has less than 70% but more than 40% American content .. A Toyota with a '5,' as the first number of the VIN, as does the American assembled Tundra, has less than 40% American content .. The Honda Accord on the other hand has a '1' as the first number of the VIN and thus more than 70% American content Toyota is now saying. 'Assembled in the US of world sourced parts,' because Honda complaint to the FTC about Toyota deceptive advertising practice Do a bit of research,WBMA.
mike hunt
Not so. The Sienna has a '4' as the first number of the VIN and therefore has less than 70%, but more than 40% American content.
Not necessarily. CAFE has to do with the average of all vehicles sold, an Toyota and Honda sell more small and midget cars.
mike hunt
Apparently buyers think so. GM and Ford sell more of their vehicles than any import.
mike hunt
I see, you want us to believe that if your brand does well in a survey it is a reliable survey, if your brand is outscored by other brands then it is NOT a reliable survey, right? LOL
mike hunt
The first digit of the VIN means that the vehicle was made in America. It does NOT indicate content. If I am incorrect, prove it.
Not true. The first digit of the VIN indicates country of origin, not percent domestic content.
And the Toyota Sienna is 85% domestic c>>
But if Americans chose cars solely on quality, they'd buy more Toyotas than GMs.
Don't GM and Ford also sell imports? My Escort came from Hermosillo.
Why? Has it been proven that the quality of Toyotas are better than the quality of GMs? How about the cost of ownership? All I have seen here are some opinions (and some good ones, like mine ;-) ), but no real evidence that one brand has higher quality than others. I do recall that the Yugo was not that good in quality, but not much that modern day Fords and GMs and bad quality.
Of course GM and Ford sell more of their vehicles than any import? Why would an import car maker sell Fords and GMs? Mazda sells the Ford Escape as a Mazda Tribute and the Ford Ranger as a B210.
But there are very few import brands that sell GM and Ford vehicles.
Jeff
Jeff
You are correct, a '4' indicates it is made in the US, of less than 70%, but more than 40% American content. A '1' means more than 70% American content. A '5' means less than 40% American content. Why do you think the US has THREE different digits to designate made in the US and not one like the '2' that indicates Canada or the '3' that indexes Mexico?
mike hunt
Really, if what you believe to be true, was actually true, why then does the Accord NOT have a '4' instead of a '1?' ;)
Yes they do, around 18% of the vehicles sold in the US by Ford are made in Canada and Mexico. Around 20% for GM. Toyota on the other hand nearly 80% of theirs are imported, not counting the ones from the GM/Toyota plant in California. Most of the parts, for the vehicles Toyota assembles in the US, are imported.. Even their current advertisement now say, made in the US of world sourced parts because of Honda compliant to the FTC.. mike hunt
I don't know. But all the indications I get are that the Toyota Sienna has
85% domestic content. Except for what you say, I have not seen any indications that the number indicates anything other than the vehicle was made in America. I have backed my claims. How about backing yours?Your repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true.
Certainly, my sources could be wrong, for example, based on the same incorrect report. But, considering that I found several sources that show the first digit just indicating the place where a vehicle is made an no indication of percent domestic content, and that I have found several sources that indicate that the Toyota Sienna has over 84% domestic content, I would have to suggest that you're incorrect.
Back your claims if you are correct. Repeating the same crap over and over again doesn't make it smell better.
Jeff
Last year, Toyota sold approx. 2.5 million vehicles in the US. Toyota also made about 1.55 million vehicles North America, including three plants in Canada. That means about 50% of the vehicles sold in the US in were made in the US.
Actually, about 2/3 of the parts that go into Toyotas are from US or Canadian parts.
And the proportion of parts made in the US/Canada is going up, not down as it is at GM.
The ads don't matter. THe domestic content does, and it is 68.9%, about 11% less than GM.
Jeff
So why did you make the claim about gas mileage? Also are you counting cars that are nearly identical as different models or as a single model. For example, the Toyota Echo and Scion Xa are nearly identical.
Perhaps you missed the part that asked, 'Why do you think the US has THREE different digits to designate made in the US and not one like the '2' that indicates Canada or the '3' that indexes Mexico?' Your repeating the same thing doesn't make what you believe to be true, actually true, now does it? North American parts labeling is far differ than the FTC regulation of American content other than the source of parts. Use some logic here. Why in the world would a Camry, made entirely in Japan which has a 'J' as the first digit, display a parts label that indicates it has ANY percentage of north American parts, when it obviously does not?
mike hunt
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