Echo brake damage?

I don't know my own power

Natalie

Wasn't trying to. Just that, as I said, I was almost OUT of the intersection before Mr. Honda even got TO it! He was stuck behind the van that was turning. Let me see if I can ASCII this:

| . | | H . | Honda> | H . | | H . | _____________|___ . |______________ \ \

"Wickeddoll®" wrote: snip

Ok, nuff sed I guess, far be it for me to lecture anyone else on the upbringing of their offspring...I already did that deed with four of them - many years ago.

Just let me say that they're all well adjusted and happy people who all love me to death (one daughter who lives on the West Coast convinced her fiancee to fly his whole family (16 people) down East here for their wedding this summer so that I could attend (I'm medically unfit to fly).

I supplied all my children with what I felt that they needed...I didn't feel that any needed cars, so I supplied none...has the child rearing ethic changed so much in about 40 years?

Hachiroku wrote: snip

The ascii didn't make it through too well but no problem, I understood the situation perfectly anyway Hachi...I still see it as that you usurped his Right of Way.

Why would it matter that there was a van turning?...let's say that there was no van and you turned left across the path of the oncoming Honda and he had "T boned" you...wouldn't you have paid?

AWWWWWW

Um...yeah. For instance, they do more things that require transportation (You can't walk to work, for instance), and in this town, the bus service is extremely limited. Craig really doesn't get to 'joy ride' much. He drives to school more than anything else.

Natalie

HOW???? i was already IN the intersection before he GOT to it! What am I supposed to do...wait till EVERY car clears from the other side?

He was behind the van. He had NO visibilty; the van was blocking his visibilty and blocking him from entering the intersection. By the time the van cleared, I was already almost through the intersection.

In MASS, the person IN the intersection has the right of way over anybody entereing the intersection.

But that doesn't take into account BRAINS. Anybody with a BRAIN, having his vision totally blocked would proceed with caution, esp at this intersection; it's one of the busiest in town. So, with NO visibiltiy, knowing it's 3:30 PM and there is a LOT of traffic, this dweeb just BLOWS THROUGH it!

and i did have the right of way, accdg MGL...

Mine rode bicycles to work, to school, to hockey, to baseball, to friends houses, to These bikes were earned by part-time jobs at McD and grocery stores.

I walked to a country schoolhouse (on the East coast) which was

3.5 miles of gravel roads each way from grade 3 to grade 6...THEN I had the luxury of riding on a bicycle that I had earned by trapping wild animals in the woods on our farm, skinning them and selling the pelts until grade 8...then at age 15 I went to Toronto (alone) and got a job in the St Lawrence Starch Company until age 17 when I joined the RCAF.

So tell me again how hard life is for the modern boy?

Hachiroku wrote: snip

Yes, of course you are...in Canada at least. I've sat many times in the middle of an intersection until the red traffic light stopped the oncoming lane of cars so as to let me turn left. I might have been stopped in the middle of that intersection for a minute or more while many many oncoming cars met me and swept on through their green light.

I have no Idea why you'd think that I had the RoW to just barge into that oncoming line of cars, yet you seem to be saying that?.

Or have I misunderstood your situation?

Perhaps. As I have said, the person in the intersection FIRST has the right of way, and I was almost through the intersection before he even got to the stop line on his side. He should have slowed and looked and made sure the coast was clear, but he just blasted right through. As I also stated, he had to cut a VERY wide arc to get around me, a very clear indication I was in the intersection first.

i was driving the Supra; for all the complaints I have about it it DOES run well and looks pretty good, too. Really not in bad shape at all. If he had run into it with his 9x run-of-the-mill Civic it would have been much better for him to deal with the Police than me...

Maybe Scott's got a point in the other thread...

"But Officer, he hit me with his car, and then came at me. I had no choice but to blow him away!"

Well, your youth would have totally sucked by *my* standards, so I can't even imagine how my own kids would cope

Natalie

So it's ok to enter an intersection with your intended path blocked but you have to give way to a vehicle whose access to the intersection is blocked?

...uphill BOTH ways, and it's colder here, so we had snow from October to May, and I couldn't even afford snowshoes.

FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor! FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Cardboard box? THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Aye. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky! THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you. ALL: They won't!

LOL!

Natalie

I don't know who wrote that rule - in California (and as far as I KNEW everywhere) the straight through traffic that has the green light at a signal controlled intersection has the right of way over anyone making a turn across their path or entering the intersection from a side street. You have to wait for a safe opening to make any turns across the path of through traffic, restricted view or not.

You may have had the legal right to make a left by virtue of 'being in the intersection first' under that certain statute, but is it really worth dying to assert your right? You can always find the time to wait patiently at or just past the limit line till you are pretty darned certain it's clear to proceed - and if it suddenly turns out not to be, be prepared to stomp on it and scoot your ass out of the way.

But it sounds to me far more likely that you are mis-interpreting the rule. At an intersection controlled by a 4-way Stop Sign (not a traffic signal, big difference) the first vehicle there that comes to a full stop has the right of way to go first, then the second vehicle that arrived at the intersection. And if there are multiple cars stacked up, you take turns in order counter-clockwise.

Of course, the other guy isn't totally blameless in having to swerve around you making your left turn - if they were paying attention to the road they would have observed that the view ahead is restricted and slowed some - because fools in Supras do pop out in front of them from blind spots... ;-P

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Your last sentance has it right. I had a clear shot at the untersection, Hondaman was blocked by the van.

At least ONE of use was being cautious. As well as right...

Yup, that's true, too. But at a light-controlled intersection, the person INTO the intersection first has the right of way. Since I was almost all the way through, Hondaman was supposed to yield. Add to that the fact I was the only car making a left, and all he had to do was let me through..

Fun-ny. If it HAD come down to an accident, I'd be getting my Supra's body fixed for free (I know a LOT of people in body shops...)

I concur with all of Bruce's above post...actually, I was going to drop the discussion at this point because it looked like it was going to escalate to insults etc. Thanks Bruce.

Sucked?...really?...Oh I didn't think it was bad...I had a good Mum and Dad. Kids are quite resilient you know...can you imagine living in 'some' places in the world...with barely enough food to subsist on, no family to protect and love you, every day a battle to just survive?. I sure didn't think my life 'sucked' (I hate that word anyway, it sure wasn't MY generation that coined it).

I really do think that the present generation of teens (my grandkids for instance) are extremely spoiled, coddled and have very little sense of responsibility...

I just hope that my teeth don't wear out before I'm done with them from gritting them to keep my mouth shut around them.

And by contrast, my kids would despise my childhood (Actually, I hated a lot of it myself). However, I think you missed where I said I didn't *give* Craig a car. He was allowed to use our Corolla, but the car was never his. We gave him the option of continuing it to use it, and he declined. He greatly regrets that now, but tough shit. He's now trying to buy a car on his own, and we told him we'd help to a certain extent. Are today's kids spoiled? Hell ya, but I can't expect them to live like the Amish because of the current trends. It's deep in the DNA for most of us to want to give our children a better life than we had, and for me, having access to a car is a nice thing I would have loved at Craig's age, but I think I would have appreciated it a lot more than he does. I'll give you that.

See above, but we're working on ours

Hey, good luck with that

Natalie

Nah, I don't result to insults...unless you're a Troll!

I guess you had to be there...