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Your point is well made. We should let infants of poor ignorant single mothers and fathers die of starvation and illness because it would not be fair to take my hard earned money to provide formula and medicine to that infant who's parents did not apply themselves as hard as I did. Heck, I must be a conservative now, thanks.

Richard.

If I'm driving around with a bag of deposit bottles in my trunk and see someone fishing thru garbage for the same I give them what I have. I guess I'm a conservative too. mark_

Sounds good. Where can one find a FISCAL conservative Republican now a days?

Social conservatives seem to be a dime a dozen now a days. Want to limit abortions? No problem. Want to keep gays from marrying? No problem. Want to keep gays from adopting? No problem. Want to promote "intelligent design"? No problem. Want to cut taxes? No problem.

Fiscal conservatives seem a bit harder to find...

Want the goverment to waste less money on programs that help very few people so the dollar remains relatively strong and our grandchildren don't have to pay off the loans? Find me a few electable politicans. PLEASE!

I'm a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. I don't get along with "big government conservatives". At least liberals usually do something that benefits me with all that money they take from me...

How can this be? A social liberal wants government to fiscally fund liberal ideals.

No, that's a _socialist_.

A fiscally conservative socially liberal person is more like a practical libertarian. I'm all for small government, but I think we need some basic services like military, police, laws, courts, short term welfare, job training, etc.

The current "conservatives" go against just about everything I believe in the role government should play. They are all about big government entitlements and big government spending, but they erode environmental protections and poke their noses into personal issues.

If someone wants to get married to their same sex partner and adopt and support an unwanted child why should the goverment care? From the government's perspective, isn't that better than state sponsored foster care?

Why isn't the abortion issue only a family & doctor issue? Why should the government be involved at all?

If someone is terminally ill, why should the goverment criminalize their doctor or spouse for helping them kill themselves?

If a husband wants to pull his wife who has been comatose for years off a feeding tube and the courts allow him, why should Congress intervene?

If someone wants to do recreational drugs in their own home and they are not out driving on the highway while high, why should the government care?

If a coal burning power plant has the techonology to greatly reduce mercury pollution available at a financial cost far less than the social costs of the damage the additional mercury is doing, why shouldn't the government mandate reduced mercury levels?

For the same reason one can not marry their parents, siblings or their dog I guess. It is against the very laws of nature

I guess for the same reason the government gets involved if one kills the mother or the doctor

Who knows for sure if the spouse and the doctor are lovers? How would allowing that square with those 'terminally ill' people that have survive on occasion?

The same reason, after a jury of one peers says a killer should be put death, the government intervenes? Besides who speaks for the comatose spouce?

What if a firefighter get killed at the house fire they start while stoned?

For the same reason that the government gave utilities a pollution deference in the first place. Higher utility rates will piss of the voters, like when the government passed a law that a car could not be started if everybody did not wear a seat belt, back in the seventies. Beside who decides the cost? ;)

and some of them have been on medicine so long they couldn't face a beautiful paradise without going off the deep end. Very sad. mark_