{OT} shrinking glaciers

I worked for a landscaper mowing lawns one summer in High School. I used to see those Chemlawn flags on some lawns and always noticed dead baby birds and other creatures. It makes you wonder about the people who work for Chemlawn. Do they wind up growing a tail and a second head?

There's a company called Gardens Alive that has a lot of good products for people who want to avoid using pesticides and other chemicals. I've bought a number of things from them over the years and it's always high quality and it does what they say it will.

I'm having trouble following your logic here. First you criticize because of so many "ifs and buts." Then you say things aren't black and white.

Maybe the grey areas are the reason for the ifs and buts?

How about people that work in the pesticide isles at a 'box' store or the people that work in Pool Supply places.

Well isn't it? You guys gals want a solution to the global warming issue, and you cite some things to do only with caveat. The other post had to do with a childhood experience, a view as a child with such a logical emotionless view of the world and of santa claus, the tooth fairy ect, sort of a black or white view. I don't think it was conflicting. I would never view the world as perfect that's for sure. There always will be some new discovery that shoots to hell our ideas of things and how they should be. That's just the way it is. For a young child to not dream about santa claus or the tooth fairy is sad. I discovered there was no santa at about age 4 when I got up around midnight to get a look at this guy and found my mother filling our stockings with candy. She didn't know I was peeking. I never said anything to my mother for many years, but I'm sure she knew I knew, it's still fun for kids whether they know or not. Now back to work, I've already spent way too much time here. bye.

The people at the box stores actually melt. That's why you can never find anyone to help you at one of those stores.

The people at pool supply places grow flippers. Maybe that's where manatees come from? :-)

At least we were coming up with ideas and expressing our opinions. We're also realistic enough to realize that there are going to be caveats.

This makes complete sense to me. Now I know where they all disappeared to.

I couldn't fiollow it, either. Which is why I didn't respond.

cathy

In reality, most ideas that are implemented do have caveats.

Cathy

The other post

It's better that you didn't.

Don't forget the fact that those types of vehicles are more expensive to insure and maintain.

I refuse to let them touch my lawn. Some of my neighbors use them,. & the thought of the pesticides, where both wild & domestic animals venture... they can't read those little flag warning signs!

I'm not a baseball fan, so when I went to Doubleday Field (Cooperstown - baseball hall of fame field) this summer to attend a (Paul Simon) concert there, I found the state of the outfield to be amazing. Its grass was absolutely gorgeous. Super-green, super lush, & no weeds at all - I didn't see *one* weed. Turns out the guy who's in charge of its maintenance uses no pesticides. He fertilizes it & inspects it for weeds every morning, hand culling them if any dare to show themselves.

Cathy

I suspect that much of the increased cost is due to their relative scarcity. If more people had them, costs would go down.

Hybrids make a lot of sense for many people. They're a way to reduce our dependence on foreign oil and also reduce pollution by burning less fuel.

They're not a magic bullet. We need to do other things too, like drive less, carpool, buy smaller vehicles, telecommute, use public transportation, etc.

Apparently you haven't. Better do a bit of research, when you do you will find the Kyoto Accord was reached during President Clintons time in office.. President Clinton never submitted the treaty to the Senate for ratification. He knew it did not stand a snowballs chance in hell of being ratified. Perhaps President Bush should send it to the Senate where is will die and get some of you kooks of his back on at least one subject. ;)

mike hunt

point).

When I was a Puppy, I studied as much Geology as I could. Since my math skills SUCKED (and that's putting it mildly) I never got into the advanced classes, but I took all the ones I could take.

For a paper for one of them, I put this forth:

When is the hottest part of the year? For the Northern Hemisphere, it si right about now. The end of July through the middle of August. Now, think about this for a minute. Why is this? The sun is at it's highest point over the NH on the 21st of June, and yet, when it starts making it's southern swing and moving AWAY from the NH, it gets HOTTER!

There are two dynamics here: the prolonged presence of the sun over the NH, and the fact that the Earth is giving BACK the heat energy it has absorbed since early June. That heat is in the form of 'radiation', keeping temperatures higher even though it SHOULD be getting cooler.

Ice ages form on the face of the Earth approx every 10,000 years. The last ice age was...oh, about 10,000 years ago. So, we SHOULD be heading into a period of global COOLING. Why, then is the Earth getting warmer?

I put forth the same principle that, if you look at the periods between Ice Ages as 'Seasons', that we are now at the end of 'Summer' and heading towards 'Autumn', on our way to the long, cold 'Winter' That is an ice age. It's the same priciple as the seasons we see every year, but in the grand scale of the Solar System and indeed the Galaxy, it takes a much, much longer time for the seasons to pass. My propsition is that 'Summer' is coming to and end, and just as it does for the seasons of the year, in the 'seasons' between Ice Ages, the Earth will heat before cooling.

I wrote that when I was a Senior in High School, more years ago than I care to divulge here...

The teacher said it was an interesting theory, but I didn't have any data to back it up (um...how could I???) and while it might be true, it was an interesting theory at any rate (his words...). I got a B+ for lack of data...

About 7 weeks ago, I saw this very same proposition presented on the History Channel...

Hmmm...I *wonder* what happened to that 30 year-old paper...

That radiation would also have been given back during the whole period since early June. You would thus expect the greater insolation during June to be added to the increased radiation back from the Earth during June to create the highest temperatures in June.

(There is no delay in releasing stored heat. It doesn't wait until the incoming heat flow lessens. Otherwise the outside of a pot would not burn you until you turn the burner off.)

If I'm visualizing this right, one thing that happens is that as we move on from June 21 the lower latitudes of the northern hemisphere get increased insolation. Perhaps we are seeing increased heat transfer from the lower latitudes via air currents of ocean currents?

I've always believed there is cycles within cycles. In terms of earth and the universe what's a few thousand years.

A drop in the bucket. A drop in a very large bucket. I don't know if the cycles can be predicted even within broad ranges, though. Because of unprecedented happenings & their effects.

Cathy

These postings threads are really getting long and clumbersome. We got tornados and big CU all over this night. I hope I don't loose power or I'll not be able to respond to you fine folks, LOL. Stay safe.