Toyota Tundra: First Impression

He (Titus) is a shill for Ford. It is unfortunate that his presentation comes across as unprofessional and petty. The video could have been produced to get Ford's message across in a more convincing manner. I'm certain that Ford is extremely concerned with the percent of market share that the Tundra will extract from the F150 buyers. Their next fear will be if a Japanese auto company steps into producing a specification to compete with their Super Duty line. In all cases and especially in the long run, the market customers will decide, and competition benefits the customer. IMHO.

I can't imagine Ford paid for that crap. If so they should be ashamed. They are stooping to Toyota's level. It is as bad as those ridiculous Tundra ads that compared the old Tundra to the F150.

I think the constant comments that "Toyota doesn't understand truck buyers" was silly. I think Toyota understands toy trucker buyers pretty well. Most trucks in the F150 class aren't bought by people who need trucks, they are bought by people who want a truck, but only really need a car. For them the fact that the new Tundra is a second rate truck is completely irrelevant. The weak frame and rear suspension isn't a problem. The biggest load they'll ever carry is cooler. The appearance of "toughness" is all that matters.

Ed

"wowdog" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au...

What makes your think he hates Toyota? He is simply pointing out the obvious. The Tundra is a second rate truck compared to what GM, Ford and Dodge have to offer and for less money.

mike

There is not question competition is good for the breed, but the Tundra does not compare to other trucks currently on the market in its price range.

Ride in an older model Toyota or Dodge truck, listen to the squeaks and rattles, it soon become apparent that the 'toughness' IS important in a truck

mike

Small minded people tend to hate what they don't understand.

I have my own toughness test - my 17 year old son. So far only two vehicles have passed - 1999 Ford Ranger and a 2006 Ford Mustang. Failed vehicles - 2003 Saturn Vue, 1997 Pontiac Firebird, 1992 F150 - although both the Firebird and F150 had many miles at the time they failed the test. The F150 failure only cost a few hundred dollars. The Firebird's was terminal. The Vue's failure was partially covered by warranty, but hideously expensive - after it was mobile again I got rid of it. I won't let him touch my Frontier - I can't afford another new truck this year and I don't think the Frontier would last long with him driving. Apparently the Mustang is bullet proof. He has put more miles on it than all the other vehicle combined and the only "failure" was a destroyed rear tire. I can't really blame that on Ford. Then again, as far as I know he hasn't taken the Mustang off road....

I wonder if I can get Toyota to lend me a Tundra for him to test. Might make for an interesting experiment.

Ed

Can you be specific? I just compared similarly priced Tudra and F150 (4x4, small V8, regular cab), and found they they had similar performance, similar towing, similar payload and similar price. I would bet the take home price is cheaper for F150 because the dealer would give a bigger discount.

All of the reviews that I have read suggests that Toyota did a good job in designing the truck, such as this summary from Car and Driver: "The Bottom Line: We have yet to put this giant through its formal test paces, and there is much to learn in the months ahead. But assessed in terms of Toyota's goal-a big job truck to be taken seriously by guys who actually put their rigs to work (Toyota calls them "True Truckers")-we have to say mission accomplished."

Can you please provide the details when a similar Tundra and Ford are compared?

Jeff

The only question I have is why you would have to pay for a new truck if he got his hands on your Frontier.

I believe in natural consequences. If a child runs into a wall, he soon learns that it hurts and stops running into the wall.

The natural consequence of being rough with a Vue is that he pays for the repairs, not you. He will learn not to be rough with vehicles or learn to get a 2nd job.

Jeff

I have to totally agree!

Why in hell would anyone keep providing cars to kids that can't/won't take care of them.

Actually why in hell provide ANY cars to kids at all?

Earn the f*ing money if you want a car and pay for it and the insurance!

Your mother spent a lot of time at truck stops, eh?

Nailed another liberal....errrrr Moon Bat....

LOL

The market will determine which offers the better truck, and Ford currently sells at least five times as many F150s. You are free to believe whatever you choose.

mike

When one of my grandchildren wants a new vehicle, I will pay half the cost of buying any domestic vehicle they choose. They pay ALL of the costs of operating their vehicle. As a result they take good care of THEIR investment ;)

mike

Since when are there so many Ford and GM lovers reading a Toyota group? Seems to me that these Ford and GM advocates are getting awfully nervous lately. It's actually kind of funny.

Dante

Some studies show that intelligence is hereditary. :)

Dante

Does your use of domestic include all vehicles made in the USA. Does all of the parts used to construct the vehicle have to be made in the USA?

Dante

And the new Tundra has been on the market for what? Five weeks?

Geeze, get a clue man.

And I notice that you have not backed your claim that the Toyota is priced significantly higher than the competition or that the performance, payload capacity or towing capicity is significantly less on similarly priced trucks.

The usual tactic of diversion.

Jeff

Good idea.

Jeff