Toyota Tundra: First Impression

Please explain how I could have prevent the struts or springs from wearing out or the brakes. The cats was a manufacturing defect. How about the CV joint?

I don't think there is any preventive maintaince for any of these parts.

You didn't answer my question. What parts were replaced on your daughter's car? Brakes? Struts? Springs? Nothing?

Jeff

Can anything done in the TV ad not be done by a Toyota? If the answer is no, then there is nothing dishonest or phoney. If they had to do special things, like put in a turbo to get the truck to accelerate like that, then I would say it is phoney.

When you talk about capacities, you are comparing apples and oranges. Why not say that a White truck has a 50,000 lb towing capacity or whatever the trailer is? I think you need to compare similar trucks. I did. I got similar capabilities for similar prices. So did the automotive journalists at Car and Driver. Of course, I adjusted for the discounts or rebates that Ford gives on the F150, the #2 selling truck in Feb. 2007. I don't think Ford has much to worry about with the Toyota, however, at least compared to the #1 and #4 selling trucks in Feb. 2007 (Chevy and GMC just redesigned their trucks - Ford is not going to redesign their trucks for years.)

Jeff

Jeff

I don't know about mileage vs. reliability, but each April issue of Consumer Reports has a graph showing the problem rate for various brands as they age, and in the latest 2007 issue it shows, for 10-year- old vehicles:

Toyota: 63 problems/100 vehicles Honda: 87 Nissan: 100 Ford: 128 Chrysler: 160 GM: 160 VW: 175 Hyundai: 160 (8 years only)

Can go for years without needing to be washed?*

• may look like crap but can still be driven

Does that mean Honda and Toyota owners have a lot more preventative maintenance done than Ford and Pontiac owners?

Mine, often near crime scenes (but I've always had an alibi).

Interesting. I can't help but wonder what a problem is. I think it is a problem whenever I want to fill up my car, but I forget to bring a credit card. I would say changing brakes every 50,000 mi is not a problem, but changing them every 10,000 mi is.

Jeff

Someone once claimed that his year-old Ford full-sized pickup caught on fire, and a week later he received a recall notice from Ford telling him to get a plastic clip installed to keep a fuel hose from touching the exhaust manifold.

I take it you'd rather Ford screwed them?

These people were *perfectly* satisfied with their previous Toyoa (Honda in some cases), and they're paying what they consider a reasonable amount of money for a car they like, which they want and in which they have confidence.

Just how are they screwing themselves?

For the record, I didn't say "satistical fact." That was someone else.

However, you asked for "evidence please" and I DID supply that.

1. People that crunch the numbers, JDP, conclude that Toyotas are more reliable than the bulk of domestic vehicles
2. People that crunch the numbers, CR, conclude that Toyotas are more reliable than the bulk of domestic vehicles.
3. Anectdotal evidence (and what is statistice but a giant, steaming pile of anectdotes?) that I've seen and which is available to you, suggests that Toyotas are more reliable than the bulk of domestic vehicles.
4. Toyota is selling more cars every year, at good prices. The judgement of the market is that Toyota cars are a good value at these prices.

You are welcome to think that.

Now you do.

I bought an '00 in '05 with 72K miles on it. Took a friend to lunch. He thought the car was NEW.

LOL.

However, they don't address the long term directly, 100,000+ mi.

The plural of anecdote is not data

That's the perception. That doesn't mean that Toyotas are really better than the others.

Wow! You didn't do that well in mind-reading school, did you?

Actually, the figures that other people posted that showed that people are more likely to buy another Toyota than any other brand and that Toyotas have signicantly fewer repairs (assuming that 1/2 as many repairs is significantly fewer - statistically speaking this looks likely), I would say that Toyotas, on average are better over the long haul.

I would like to know about particular models. Are the stats reflective of relatively poor quality of all Fords or poor quality of particualar Fords?

Of course, if this is the case, Toyotae still have a relatively low repair rate over the long haul.

Jeff

There are books one can buy on proper preventive maintenance.

Tires, brakes, battery and some thingy in the moon roof

I own a '71 Pinto I bought in '70 that I just did the first repair to the engine, at 300K. Had do the head as the result of lack of lead in modern gasoline

mike

You didn't answer my question. What parts were replaced on your daughter's car? Brakes? Struts? Springs? Nothing?

The lack of lead has nothing to do with it. While it was thought that lead in gasoline lubricates valves, it was found that except in some performance applications, this is not the case.

Jeff

It is a Pinto with 300,000 miles.....

If you believe that, I've got some acid rain in upper New Yuck State to sell ya.....

Notice in the second reference, it was pre-1971 automobiles. Mike's was a

1971 Pinto, not that it saw the type of service that made a difference.

Jeff

I was just sparrin with 'mike'.

He has talked about keeping a '71 Pinto for 300,000 miles, which I simply don't believe....

I do. I don't see why he would lie. I may disagree with his opinions, but I don't think he lies. 1971 was the first year for the Pinto. When he was buying the Pinto, I was in first grade.

Jeff

Why would he lie?

Why would ANYBODY even try to drive a Pinto 300,000 miles?

I had one (well a 72) and I take VERY good care of my cars. The damn thing didn't make 75,000 miles.