HUH? The court trial wasn't about Monica. Do you even know what Clinton was being investigated for? Hint, it wasn't about Monica. He was questioned about her to show Clinton had a pattern of such behavior for the case brought up against him....which wasn't about Monica at all.
Most people certainly would not do the same thing. Most people aren't sexual harassers. Ya, I know, Clinton was a nice guy who treated women who worked for him with respect. Sigh...
You certainly do look the other way at his guilt. He had no respect for women who worked for him yet you keep defending this scum.
Miles, I work with them as well and many become my friends. And while this is the USA and not Mexico, people have the same fears everywhere. Sure, they may be more worried in Mexico about putting food on the table each night then sending their kids to an ivy league school but how can anyone truly be happy with fears like going hungry or becoming homeless hanging over their heads every night. Argue all you want Miles, I am the one with reality on my side and the masses comming over the border as well as the links that YOU provided back me up.
LOL, there is a big difference between worried and miserable Miles, despite your right wing spin and again, the people that you are dealing with are here in the USA where the standard of living is much higher, even for our poor. In Mexico, true poverty very much can mean misery, starvation, and even death. I know that you keep denying it because you only see what you want to see.
Once again spinmaster, what you just said has nothing to do with what I asked. While your parents may have stepped down their lifestyles a bit, I'm sure that they still have a lot of money in the bank which puts them in a completely different class from those that can't afford to do any better and have no savings at all. Now if you think that their lifestyles are so great, why don't you give away your business and get a job paying what they make and live that lifestyle?
It differs from week to week but on average, around 5 to 15 hours a week, sometimes more, sometimes less. As I said before, I have a second business doing home improvements and repairs and many times I help those that don't have much money by making those repairs for them at not much over cost when I know they need the help. The difference here Miles, is that while you pay yourself your full salary whether you work or not, being an independant contractor every hour I spend doing this costs me money so don't give me that bullshit about liberalism.
I'm sure that you are not doing it for nothing Miles and I'm not trying to attack you, I'm going by what you say and how you react to situations. In many ways you make it sound like the only reason to do anything is to benefit yourself so what exactly is the benefit here. I would say that it is either the tax rightoff or it makes you look better and not like a scumbag that lives well at the expence of your workers. Now I don't know if this is the reason or not but from what you say.....
LOL, how did you come up with this load of crap. I am simply trying to discover your motivation for doing this because by what you say, true concern for others takes a distant second place to profit.
Perhaps if you paid them a resonable salary to begin with, you wouldn't have to help them on the side but then again, you can screw them over this way and look good and caring while doing it. How right of you.
Then what exactly is the purpose of the minimum wage Miles? Not every minimum wage job is a wallmart door greeter and some of these minimum wage jobs are not so unskilled and actually hard to do.
Once again Miles, your right wing short sightedness is sad to see.
Because only an idiot puts all of their eggs in one basket miles and how exactly are you investing? Oh, that's right, you are just taking. How many others have the oppertunity to invest in your company this way? If you are as giving as you claim, then you should sell the company when you are ready to retire and give someone else the opportunity to succeed and live well off of the profit from the sale.
LOL! Sure Miles, anything you say. The funny thing is that if people like you paid people a living wage, then there would be little need to have to give anything but then they probably wouldn't be able to live the extravagant lifestyles that people like you feel your entitled too and more importantly, they wouldn't have the power that they do over those they keep way beneath them.
I would suspect that in your select group that some do but then again, you do see and hear only what you want to anyway so no matter what they say, this is what you are going to hear. Any way that you try and spin it, the real world situation says very different than you claim, despite your spin.
What you call growth most call recover from but even there, while big business made a lot of money, the same cannot be said for the majority of Americans.
Actually, you are the one that just credited him for it by calling it Clintons tech bubble. The thing is that during the tech bubble, the whole economy took off because many people had well paying jobs and were spending money, unlike now.
TBone, it's really simple. If they say they are happy then I leave it at that. Only a liberal would feel the need to tell them they are wrong and don't know any better.
If they say they are happy then who are you to tell them they're wrong? Trouble with you TBone is you seem to know what you do NOT see. Nobody needs you or any other liberal to tell them how they feel and what they need.
Right Tom! Tell me how you plan to retire? You invest I hope and will retire off the revenues from those investments. Unless you feel as you've told me so much that such is totally wrong. So I guess we just live on a negative return investment called social security huh? You have no good reason why it is wrong to invest in ones own company but perfectly fine to invest in someone elses (Stocks).
It's not for nothing. It's to help others. When I see the effects helping others has it does make me feel great. Thats what I get out of it. Your hatred and bias makes you believe I nor other Reps or conservatives help others in big ways. Got news for ya Tom. Every single organization I've ever belonged to that does charitable work was mostly conservatives. Such as our local 20-30 club but I'm older than
39 so that was awhile ago! Liberals are all talk and little action themselves.
No Tom, that would be your bias talking. You keep telling me how I am through your own beliefs devoid of factual substance. I, like most conservatives give considerably through their own time as well as money. You do not see that because you choose not too. It goes against what you believe.
Write off? Ok, I donate $60,000 a year and that helps me finacially exactly how? Even if it were all tax deductible (which its not) it will not generate me anywheres near 60K in tax savings. Not even close. Write off huh? Good grief.
No Tom, thats your hatred talking rather than reality. While I have no idea I'd be willing to wager I give far more of my own time and money helping others than you. Put your time and money where your mouth is Tom.
Huh? They don't work for me. Geez are you on a rampage of pure biased hatred tonight!
If they are so hard to do then the company would be hard pressed to find someone capable of doing that job for minimum wage.
That does not explain why you feel its wrong to invest in ones own company and retire on its returns. Why is it wrong when investing in others companies is fine?
Only a conservative would assume such a thing. Perhaps what I hear is different than what you do. Could that be possible???
I've done no such thing but unless you have heard from the majority of the popullation and you haven't, your claims are as invalid as you claim mine to be.
LOL, the only one making the claim that liberals or anyone else are telling people how they feel is you. I am simply going by what I am told and the number of them coming here goes against everything that you say.
Please expalin to me how this paragraph above has anything at all to do with the one you were replying to. As for investing, I am all for that but please expalain to me how you are investing in your company. As far as I can see, you are not doing anything more than any of your other employees so are you saying that they all have this same oppertunity?
I never said that Miles but as I have said many times, if thise business owners (many of them conservatives) actually paid their employee's a living wage, then most of this "help" would be unnecessary.
LOL, perhaps that's because most of them are conservative organizations to begin with. Not going to find many liberals there as the heated political arguments and different ways of thinking wouldn't get much done. Now you make the claim that because there were few liberals involved in a conservative organization that they don't do anything. Could you possibly sound any more ignorant.
No miles, I just see the big picture and you keep making claims that you cannot possibly back up. If what you say is true and I have no reason not to believe you, then you do seem to give but saying that most conservatives do as well is nothing more than your belief and the fact that we have so many in this country without health insurance and considered working poor says something completely different. Face it Miles, as long as there are poor in need, those above them have power and control over them and that is something not so easy to give up and sadly, many of those that give are doing it to maintain that power and control.
You may give more money than I do Miles, but then again, you make more than I do. As for time, I doubt that.
First you say that you are helping the people that you work with and now you say that they don't work for you. Which way is it?
LOL, and now we are back to the beginning of this whole long winded argument and you are correct, it would be hard to get American workers to do it so they hire the illegals who are willing to work that hard for so little because it is still better than what they had where they came from. Thanks for backing my point up once again.
How exactly are you investing Miles and how many of your employees who are also working to make your company a success able to invest in it this way?
Sure I do, right wing fear. Clinton was doing everything that the right swore would destroy the economy and the economy was doing just fine.
No, she was just the set up and trap, how lame.
But that makes no sense. How does what he did with Monica have anything to do with sexual harassment? Men can cheat on their wives and not be sexual harassers. It seems more to me that many of these women simply thought that giveng him a little something would get them somewhere and when it didn't they got pissed off. Funny how none of them tried to do anything until he became president and one of them posed for Playboy. Yea, real high self proclaimed moral values there.
LOL, can we put a stop to the spin for even a second. What I said was that most men in that situation would deny cheating on their wifes in public. Clinton is far from the only man to do that, including others in important political positions. Do you remember Newt?
Simply put Miles, you really don't know exactly what happened in any of those situations. Sure, it's easy for you to fully blame Clinton for everything, especially since you hate him the way that you do but that doesn't make it true. Sure, he was a slime messing with these women and cheating on his wife, but something tells me that many of these women had their own ideas and got pissed when it didn't work their way.
You've never been there or heard from anyone that I have yet you've 'heard' huh? Sorry TBone, I do not assume anything...that would be your liberal mentality. Geez is your far radical left side coming out in full force! Trying to tell someone that they're really miserable and how your liberal socialistic policies can save them from their misery. Unbelievable you really believe your rhetoric!
You've never traveled to Mexico and spoken with the locals yet you know them better huh? Too funny.
No TBone, you keep telling me how you know they are really miserable even though they say they are not. Now you deny trying to tell them they must be wrong?
Those coming here are not representative of the Mexican population as a whole. They are a select segment of the population...not Mexico.
Huh? One can't invest in their own company? Hmm...
I do the same thing as employees huh? So what you are saying is that the Walmart door greeter is doing the same thing as the store manager. Good grief!
Most do just that. Minimum wage at my company is $10/hr to start for a totally unskilled job such as front receptionist who mostly reads books and greets the occasional client. Ya, I know, that person should make $20 or $30 I'm sure.
Yep and thats because liberals do not start nor belong to very many such organizations. They're all talk with other peoples money instead of their own money and time.
Not so at all. I grew up around top politicians and business owners. Every one of them gave considerable sums of money and more importantly their time directly helping others. Many business owners started very worthwhile charitable organizations. Ya, I know, it was all for some tax write off that somehow magically generated them more money. Could never have been because they wanted to help others.
How is that the republicans and conservatives fault and not just as much the Democrats and liberals? It's not. Furthermore socialistic welfare handouts of the left have never done a thing to reduce poverty. But they have in many cases oppressed.
Yes, and liberals do that extremely well through their social hand out programs. They gain and maintain control through them. You've told me you agree and are against such welfare programs. Yet, these are exactly what the Democrats keep promoting and you support them.
You're confused. I 'work' often with kids by spending time with them, taking them places they would never be able to go otherwise. I 'work' with their families helping them to have better homes and learn how to gain skills to be less dependent on society.
Feel free to invest any of your own money yourself and you too can partake in any returns. You seem to feel that owners who use their own funds to start a company and then continue to invest their own money shouldn't make a return greater than the investment. Sorry TBone, thats what investments are whether into my own company or someone elses (stocks). So I guess now we need some sort of socialized investment program where even those that don't invest still get a return?
You have no clue what the entire sexual harassment issue through the
80's and 90's was all about do you? It was about people in power exploiting those under them through sex. Guess you see nothing wrong with that.
For some it did get them somewhere. That TBone is what sexual harassment is. Those that give these scum business leaders sex are often given preferential treatment in the business. That TBone is sexual harassment.
It was more than just cheating on his wife. He used his position of power to gain him such favors and thats sexual harassment. This began long before he was in the WH.
Are you now saying that you have personaly spoken to every citizen of Mexico amd if not, then WTF are you talking about? NC has a rather high Mexican population and I speak to quite a few of them both legal and possibly not. Most say they came for the same reason, the living conditions and sorry Miles, they are not all uneducated lazy slugs as you would have us believe.
Is your argument really this weak. Oh hell, who am I asking, of course it is.
I don't have to. There are more than enough of them here.
Sorry to burst your bubble Miles, but "they" say no such thing. Perhaps the select few that your wealthy parents know probably do but that is not representitive of the entire population. Now I know that you will go on talking about your sister in law but yet again, she is also not....
HTF do you know this Miles??? Have you been sitting at the border interviewing them as they cross over? This is just your assumption and nothing more.
As usual, you don't answer the question. How exactly are you investing in the company?
In many cases, that would be correct. Please explain what you do that is really all that different than anyone else short of your receptionist.
Well, you are the one that said that the illegals in your area are getting $15 an hour and up for not doing all that much more work. $10/hr comes out to a little more than 20G a year. Could you live in your area on that and I'm not talking about living the way that you do. Could you reasonably live on that at all? If so, then you are doing the right thing but even here in NC, it would be difficult to do.
Once again, you spew out complete horse shit that as usual, you cannot possibly back up.
If they can afford to do this, then why didn't they give more money to their lower paid employees and eliminate the problem before it starts? Sounds to me like these business owners just like that feeling of power.
Crack open a history book and then get back to me on that.
Once again, you really don't know WTF you are talking about.
LOL, more spin.
Perhaps if people like yourself would stop justifying the lowest pay possible and started paying people that work hard and are dependable a working wage, this would be much less necessary. Any way that you want to spin it Miles, there are simply not enough skilled jobs available for everyone that needs them.
More right wing spin and justifications. I have asked over and over exactly how you are investing in your company and you have yet to actually answer it. Why is that Miles? As for return on investment, I would say that by now, your company has returned your initial investment many times over so how much is enough Miles? The simple fact Miles is that you are doing nothing more than any of your other employees so how exactly are you investing and they are not?
LOL, how exactly are your employees not investing in your company and you are?
Actually, that is not the correct definition an how exactly was he exploiting Monica? It seems to me that she was a willing participant and that alone by definition makes it NOT sexual harassment. Go look up the definition.
Sorry Miles, but that is incorrect.
Sorry Miles, but your right wing definition of sexual harassment is WRONG. The sexual advances have to both be continual and UNWANTED. If I were to ask someone one time if they wanted to sleep with me and didn't threaten them if they said no, that is not sexual harassment. If i kept asking after they asked me to stop, threatened them is they said no, or offered them an improved position if they said yes, then it would be but that was not the case with Monica or prpbably most of the ones that accused him.
Hmm, WTF are you talking about? I've spoken with many locals all over Mexico. You've spoken with none yet you've 'heard' them and know they can't be happy even if they say they are. Typical liberal rhetoric of thinking you can tell people what they need and how they feel.
LOL, That TBone says it all. Thats those in the USA. A select segment of the Mexican population. Until you travel there TBone you have no clue about anything in Mexico despite your lame attempts. It's too much for you to admit you know zilch about Mexico so instead you argue as you have been.
You feel you can understand Mexico by the select segment that come to the USA? LOL, if you ever travel to Mexico you're in for a huge does of enlightenment. You'll find the people in Mexico are generally vastly different in many ways. But go ahead with your fantasy then travel there with your expectations.
lol, they're over in Baja. I haven't even mentioned anyone over there but go on with your rhetoric! You base your entire knowledge of Mexico on a select few that have come to the USA. Too funny.
Because TBone, I know many of them here in the USA just like you. I also have traveled around Mexico and see the difference. You have not and yet you know more about Mexico? Don't think so Tom but feel free to argue some more about a country you've never been to. It's darn right laughable!
By continually improving and updating technology in order to stay competitive. Now Tom, explain your question itself. You seem to have trouble with investing in a company.
WTF are you talking about? All jobs are really all the same and therefore everyone should be paid about the same?? WTF are you trying to say here? You really feel the receptionist can manage the company? Too funny.
$10/hr comes out
Yes I realize your communistic tendencies with regards to setting salaries on ones needs rather than on ones abilities. Sorry, that system has not worked well anywhere its been tried.
Oh of course. Gotta be all about power. Every business owner I deal with pays their employees far above market wages as well as union wages in the area. Thats how good businesses keep their skilled employees rather than loose them to the competition. But I don't expect you to comprehend that philosophy because it is counter to your bias and hatred.
Oh by all means do tell! Please explain the great social programs that have reduced poverty. Explain what sustained years poverty dropped substantially in this country as a direct result of social hand outs. Sorry TBone, there has been and always will be poverty.
What are you saying? So we need to create them like Russia does? Pay intro level unskilled workers based on needs rather than abilities? Thats been done in Russia. Guess what? They were still just as poor as ever but you've never understand why it doesn't work.
I see. So Tom, do you invest in anything for your retirement? If you even have a modest return of only 8% your money will double every 10 years. So your initial investment will be returned many times over in time. Thats just wrong to you huh? What warped logic.
Geez Tom, you have no clue what sexual harassment means? Do you feel its about rape or something?
lol, I think you need to do just that!! Quid pro quo is the form Clinton was accused of or possible the Counselor-Helper form which is using position of power to gain sexual favors in the workplace. There are many forms.
Uh no Tom, you would be incorrect. You seem to feel theres only one form, probably forced verbal and physically. Not so. The scenario above was the main issue involved in all the harassment cases of the
80's and 90's.
BULL!!! Thats only one form of harassment. There are over a dozen definitions that vary from state to state and the Federal gov. lists quite a few as well.
If I were to
No threats need to be made. Offers of advancement, special privilides in the workplace etc. in exchange is also considered sexual harassment despite your claims otherwise.
Ding ding, we have a winner. That is what Clinton was accused of and why charges were filed against him. The questioning of Monica most certainly did deal with this issue.
Not at all miles but harassment has to be harassment and what you are calling sexual harassment is simply not the case.
You need to further look up or at least understand the definition Miles. Every version still indicates either some type of force or harassment.. Any way you want to spin it Miles, it was a desperate act by the right due to fear and hatred.
Again Miles, you don't have a clue.
And they all have a general premise that was not present with Monica.
That is correct Miles because that is also considered a threat. If you sleep with me you will get whatever also translates into if you don't sleep with me, you will not get whatever. What exactly was Monica either promised or threatened with?
Not really. BTW, they didn't ask Bill if he sexually harassed her, only if he had sex with her. IOW, a lame attempt to discredit him out of fear and hatred.
You feel it means against ones will. Not so. As for your 'desperate act' rhetoric look at what the left has done lately and for decades. They have on case after another against reps. Most are just for public consumption gains as they are dropped as the left knows they will be. The investigation wasn't launched by the reps. A single individual (a dem) filed a suit as did other women almost all of which were dems.
Threatened? She was given preferential treatment far and above any other page at the WH because she put out. That is exactly what triggered the sexual harassment movement of the 80's. She couldn't get those privileges unless she did. Even willingly agreeing can still be considered harassment. Clinton used his power status for sexual gains in the workplace in exchange for privileged status.
However, she didn't press charges so the case wasn't about her. She did publicly claim harassment after the case was over because Clinton dissed her when he got busted. She never pressed charges. She was a character witness to a grand jury investigating a case against Clinton. It was only a grand jury investigation, not a trial that Monica was involved in. The resulting trial was because Clinton lied under oath.
lol, before they asked that question they proved he had given rather unique special privileges to Monica. That was established.
I find that hard to believe Miles. The way that you described your childhood shows that your parents liked to be involved with the upper classes so I really doubt that they delt much with the poor in Mexico. Sure, compared to the way you probably lived, many of them seemed poor compared to your standard of living, but as you say, they have a different life style and probably were somewhat well off compared to the ones I'm talking about.
LOL, sorry Miles, but you really don't have a clue. I'm sure that in the areas that you hung out in Mexico many of the people there are happy but that does not make it the whole country. You then make the claim that only a select group of people from there are unhappy and say that they are the un and under educated but give no reason as to why. The reason Miles, is that they didn't have the privilege to go to school as for many, there were no schools in the area and even if there were, they needed their children to work as soon as they could to put food on the table because they simply couldn't make enough money to do it on their own and the social program in Mexico that YOU posted giving money to families with children to keep them in school confirms that very thing.
LOL, nobody ever said that everyone in Mexico wanted to leave Miles. But with over 40% at or below the poverty line, if even only 20% of those people want to leave, that is a significantly large number and not all of these people are either ignorant or lazy.
LOL, if it were only a few, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Sorry Miles, but the only one laughable right now is you. Nobody said that they all want to come here but there are enough to make the borders a problem.
Sorry Miles, but that's how any company stays in business and every manager does or at least tries to do that and no matter how much tech you have, without skilled hard working people, you will still go under so it seems that your employees are investing the same amount as you do. Why is it then that they, unlike you, get nothing more than a paycheck? If you invest then you should get a return, right Miles?
Yawn, your spin is really getting old. I didn't say that the receptionist could or should manage the company. What I said was that just like you, he or she is doing her job to the best of their ability and since you are doing nothing more than your job just like everyone else, why is it that you are the only one investing or should I say, the only one that will get anything long term from that investment. Sorry Miles, but that is just greed, plain and simple.
This one really isn't working either but that is not the point. The point or the question rather, is why do these buisness owners like you refuse to pay a living wage and yet, give to charities that help these same people that they underpay???? Sounds like a power trip to me.
LOL, sorry Miles, but I simply don't believe you. $10 an hour is not a living wage where you are and you know that.
If it wasn't for many of these programs Miles, there would have been a revolution and I fear that we really are not all that far from it now. You really need to crack open a history book every now and then. And you are right Miles, as long as people with your ideas exist, there will always be a much higher level of poverty then there need be.
It didn't work for the same reason our system doesn't work either Miles, greed and corruption. I never said that everyone should make the same money regardless of their skill level or job type but everyone who works full time should be paid a living wage. If that were the case, then there wouldn't be the need for so many money wasting social programs and that money could be used for both more valid assistance type programs and returned to the tax payers in lower taxes. It would also mean more people with money to spend which equates to more customers and more growth, IOW, a healthy economy. Why is it so hard for people like you to understand that?
Yes I do but many simply cannot afford to due to people like you.
LOL, 8% is far from modest in todays economy but why would that matter to you.
No Miles, it's not but that's not what you are doing and you know it.
Oh please Miles, the left has never been as good at stirring up shit as the right. The left tend to look at the big picture and see all of the damage that these things can cause, something that the right could give a rats ass about. Sadly, the left are beginning to learn how to attack without concern as well.
Really??? Name a few.
LOL, yea, and the right had nothing to do with it. Give me a break Miles.
And your proof is??? Oh, that's right, you don't have any. Sorry Miles, but any preferential treatment that she may have received could simply be because he liked her and that is just human nature.
Once again and as usual, you make accusations that you cannot possibly hope to prove or even back up.
No, it cannot. Agreeing and willingly agreeing are two very different things. A person may agree to something due to a want or need of something offered while willingly agreeing means that you would agree to it regardless of any offer.
I suppose that he may have at times and unfortunantly, he is not alone there but in the case of Monica, there is no proof of any kind that he did that there.
Of course not. If they tried that one, further investigation would have revealed the setup that it was.
Duh, no shit. She was revealed to be the lowlife scumbag that she was and was trying to save face.
Again, she couldn't because the true facts of what really happened would have came to light and the reps would never allow that to happen.
IOW, a fishing expedition and a set up to a sitting President by a scared, desperate, and cowerdly party.
Again, a win win situation for the reps regardless of how it made the country look. Had he told the truth, he would have been discrased and if he lied, he would still be discrased by a trial that never should have happened while he was in office but it would serve no point to the reps after he left.
Oh really, how about backing that one up and then prove that it was due to sexual favors and not just because he liked her.
Oh geez. There goes your warped biased arrogant views again. I lived in Mexico most of the summers and often through the rest of the year as a kid. In an old old airstream trailer that wasn't very big. Yes, we dealt with the poor in Mexico quite a bit in those years. Your hatred arrogance blinds you to reality.
Never said it did. But you paint a picture of a country in dire straights of poverty and filth and it's nothing of the sort. You are vastly mistaken if you feel the majority of Mexicans are dirt poor, starving and miserable.
Those are the remote villages with very small populations. Thats not the majority of Mexico you claim are miserable. Even in those villages not everyone is miserable. Many despise the cities where jobs and to you better living standards exist. Some want the remote simple old fashioned village life.
So 40% must be miserable huh? The USA has about 15% living below the poverty level. However, most at around the poverty level have a home, car, tv, a/c and more.
WTF are you talking about? There you go again thinking that someone who starts and runs a company should make no more return on their investment than the door greeter at Walmart. After all, that greeter 'invested' the same amount according to you. Ya, lets all live in a world where everything is equal, no rich, no poor, everyone taken care of.
Returns on investment comes with taking risk. Generally the higher you're willing to risk then the higher the return on your investment. An employee isn't taking the same risk as someone who puts their own paycheck back into the company. If they decide to go elsewhere what do they loose? If an investor walks away they loose everything they invested. They take a higher risk.
Because I dump a large share of my own money back into the company instead of my pocket. I started the company with money earned over many years of hard work and living near poverty. Yet to you I'm entitled to the same returns as a receptionist who started yesterday.
Like me huh? I pay well above market value and give well above average raises and benefits. Tell me Tom, how much should the walmart door greeter type unskilled job earn? $10/hr, 20, 30? What Tom, name it without being vague or generalizing.
Thats minimum wage at my company for a totally unskilled off the street job. So whats a living wage to you? $15, $20, $30? So an unskilled worker like a Walmart greeter should make a livable wage of $20/hr? You're being absurd here Tom!
Oh bull. These programs have never reduced poverty. If anything they have raised it because they oppress people through dependency on Government rather than themselves. I asked you to give a solid example of a program that reduced poverty and you can't even name one.
So pay based on need rather than ability. Great in concept, fails in reality where its been tried. What do you think would happen if we made the minimum wage $25/hr? Think there would be less poverty? Guess again.
So you do invest. Good for you. I hope you are only going to take back the amount you invested and nothing more. You are telling me that taking more than I invested into my company is greedy and wrong. So you do the same with your investments too. Fair enough for ya?
You aren't earning at least 8% on your investments? Geez Tom, you need a better investment adviser!! In todays economy returns well above 8% are easy to achieve.
Sure it is Tom. I invest in my own company and like investing in someone elses (stocks) I should get back several times my own investment over time.
If all you care about is time spent working as 'investing' then I should get even more. I spent YEARS working at near poverty working my way up. Thats an investment.
Thats one definition and not 'THE' definition as defined by the courts. You seem to have slept through the main issue during the sex harassment movement of the 80's.
She filed the complaint while Clinton was still a Gov. Geez Tom is your hateful bias in full swing.
You feel she was a lowlife but Clinton was just fine in all this huh? A tad bit biased there Tom!
As he should be. He used his power in office for sexual gains in the workplace. Thats disgusting especially for a seated president. Couldn't he have taken her to a hotel instead of using the janitors closet in the WH??
LOL, and yet, nothing was done until the White Water attack on the Clintons failed and then suddenly, it is the utmost of national importance.
Where did I ever say that what Clinton did was ok????
And what difference does it make where it happened? You keep making these claims that Clinton was the only guilty party but have yet to back any of it up.
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