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I'll agree that those theories were probably taught in grade school when I was a youth. I see from the web address it is now a college course at Georgia State University.

Twist/Twist/Twist..... You sure like to grasp at straws don't you.

The troposphere extends to between 5 and 9 miles up. Above that is the stratosphere which extends to about 30 miles or so. FWIW, ozone forms at about the mid point, say 20 miles up or so. My point was that tropical cumulonimbus formations can easily extend upward of 8 to 9 miles, which is reaching the stratosphere. Also, they routinely carry heavy hailstones. If they can carry three pound ice balls, they are certainly not going to have any problem with CFCs. In case you are counting, ice has a specific gravity about 400 times that of air, and about 100 times that of dichlordiflouromethane. Isn't it amazing how the wind can carry ice, water, and all manner of debris and particulate matter, hundreds of times denser than air, but freon is going to drop like a rock because "it's heavier than air". It doesn't wash.

Billy Ray did pass the time by typing:

True, but they mostly plant quick growth pine, not slow growth. Which is a bit misleading.

He wasn't? With the laws at least. :)

The earth will be here long after the human population has gone extinct. Recorded history amounts to nothing compared to the overall age of this dirtball.

Yep. They think too short term without taking into account the geological record. But then

Yes, I thought that was interesting as well.

Same here, but I got rid of a 9mpg smog bomb of a truck and got the ZJ.

If there are enough plants, that's true.

I have my 10 speed bike. Unfortunately with this weather the indoor pollution when I get to work makes it more of an environmental hazard than the ZJ.

I am, in actuality, a supporter of conservation. I live in a small village that is in the center of the largest park in the area. The village fathers early in the century set it up so no additional "development" could take place.

I don't think anyone envisioned the inmates taking control of the asylum when the EPA was set up.

I never cease to be amazed at the number of people that think we have the ability to destroy the planet even if we tried. We may well wipe ourselves out but the earth will continue, and heal itself.

I occasionally will ride my bike around the relatively flat areas of the park (about 45 minutes) but I wouldn't even consider it in this weather.

I used to be amused when the Greenpeace terrorists would put on a show at the local school. They would tell the children about the evils of slash and burn farming in south America and how many acres are rendered useless every year. It took a while, and lots of photos, to convince my younger daughter that the second you stop pushing back the jungle it comes roaring back.

It also seems interesting that we (the civilized world) have the audacity to tell a 3rd world country that they cannot do the exact same thing we did half a a century ago to improve our standard of living.

Is there Argon up there? Did you read (and understand) about Diffusion?

And this allows you to turn off your brain... easy, isn't it?

You mean, like you? And the 'common layman' should set scientific policy? (Shudder!)....

A certain song from Wizard of Oz comes to mind... hum a few bars for us, Bill... __ Steve .

BWAAAHAAAHAAA!!!!! =20

Sorry.... couldn't help myself.... : ) __ Steve .

Which would make sense, at least in southern New England where most of the trees had been cut for lumber and firewood by the end of the 19th century. It was know, if memory serves, as "the Great Wood Famine." Always be wary of those that appeal to history, especially a specific point in history ("Why, fewer Americans killed each other this year that they did in the 1860s...")

While that last is true so far as it goes, you also need to ask "What was expended in making the vehicle?" An all-electric vehicle that pollutes more in manufacture than a conventional vehicle does in manufacture doesn't do much for the environment. Same for alternative fuels: If you expend more BTUs making ethanol or a solar cell than you get out of it, why bother?

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bottom line, dont look down your nose at any technician as if youre some body when you dont even know the basics. that you would use a brand name instead of the proper terminology tells me that youre nowhere being an insider into the industry.

i have nothing to add......youre just so damn right with that statement i felt it worthy of repost.

heh.....good point!

then if you want to make a point you list the specifics. im not going to do your research for you to help you try to make your point.

i have nothing against engineers, but i dont bow down as if youre somehow exhaulted as stephen suggests. being an engineer doesnt mean you arent a total stupid s*it (like the engineer who put the oil filter right beside the turbo housing on a cummins).....it means you can pass a test.

great! now give me an alternative to replacing an HMC in a pinch. :-)

heh....true!

the Moon, better than in the forest?

how about jeeping in yellowstone? the trails are there, the money is there. how do you feel about off roading in general? stream crossings?

I have been to yellowstone twice. I think I'd rather Jeep on the moon. There are no streams there but you could go crater hopping.