New Range Rover - reliable? depreciation? views?

Hi,

About to ditch my Discovery MkII (V8) for a new Range Rover Vogue

3.0TD.

What's the general consensus on the new Range Rover? Worth the money? How reliable are they? Is the depreciation respectable?

I had vowed not to buy another Land Rover due to the never ending line of repairs my Disco's had. The MKII is worse than my MKI. Nothing major, just stupid little things like heated seats, windscreens, dead CAT after 30K, etc. I made a lot of the 3 year warranty...

Is the new RR better? Anything to watch for?

Looking around the 2nd hand market the perception I get is that (in the right colour/model) the car holds its value very well. Currently in the UK it seem impossible to get hold of an old green TD6 Vogue of a year or so old. My dealer seems to do a good turn over of the cars.

I've had 2 Discoverys now, both V8's. A MK I then a MK II. Originally went for the V8 Disco because the diesels were so noisey and I had a new baby at the time of each purchase (test drove a diesel and it woke up my 6 month old son!). The RR TD6 seems very quiet inside and out.

Borrowed a V8 Vogue for the weekend and just didn't want to give it back today. Totally blown away by the car.

If you've got strong views please back them up with online references. Anyone got an good online reviews of the car?

Thanks! George

PS Anyone want to buy my Disco MK II? :-)

53K on the clock, SE7 V8 with bull bars, cobar blue, dog guard, remote for rear air suspension.

Also got a set of 4 18" Triple Sport alloys spare.

Reply to
George M Taylor
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George,

I'm about to get a 4.4 Vogue ..... can;t comment on the TD6 except we drove the LR Experience Course in Africa in one. Awesome. Even burbles to a degree!

Reply to
The Neffalump

Something like "Range Rover, Marge... Mmmmmm... fffffff."

It's a very personal thing, but if you have that sort of money, not many things come close to the cachet of a Range Rover.

Bear in mind they're pretty damn complex. The ECU count is in the 20s somewhere. There is a lot to go wrong. But the build quality is good. So I don't think you'll find them any less reliable than any comparable car.

Dave Ridout from this NG had one and got rid of it after 6 months because he had a chain of problems (he got a VW Toerag instead IIRC). But I've not heard too many bad stories about them, especially compared to the P38a.

Remember, if something does go wrong, it's going to be bloody expensive, so best make sure the warranty is going to cover it.

Well, your car will probably depreciate more in 6 months than the Land Rovers of most people in this NG are worth. But AFAIK it's pretty reasonable for the class of car.

If I had that sort of money going spare for a car, I'd certainly get one.

David

Reply to
David French

Bloody hell!!! What do they all do?

  1. Engine
  2. Gearbox
  3. Alarm?
  4. Suspension
  5. Drivetrain?
  6. ???
  7. ???
  8. ... ??????
  9. ???

Er, I can't think of any more.

Reply to
Simon Barr

Well, the P38 had about 9. Engine, gearbox, alarm, EAS, HEVAC (heating), BECM (electric windows etc), ABS, Cruise Control, yadda, yadda... There's probably a vehicle server in there too.

To the L322 you can add Fuel burning heater, Dynamic Stability Control, Instrument pack, Transfer box, Steering angle, Steering lock, Steering Wheel has its own ECU too, Headlights, Park Distance Control, Digital sound processor, Light check module, Carphone, Memory seats, Radio, Multifunction display, and would you believe, Speech Recognition. I'm not making this up. (With thanks to Andy Cunningham's

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for inspiration.) I make it about 25 but I lost count somewhere.

My Disco II is going in on Thursday to have the ECU which detects whether there is grit in the wheel bearings replaced under recall. I kid you not. At least, that's what they told me, maybe they left a spanner in it last time they had it.

David

Reply to
David French

I bet its great while it all still works...

That's got to be a wind up, surely.

Reply to
Simon Barr

I have the feeling that "ECU" is getting a bit mis-used. They're digital computers, with specialised firmware to do different jobs, and in the old days the same job might have been done by a few analogue components.

I mean, steering angle? Unless you have fly-by-wire steering, that's essentially a sensor. And steering lock?

Through once you have a digital bus, that sort of module has to get used for just about everything.

Reply to
David G. Bell

On or around Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:24:07 +0100, "David French" enlightened us thusly:

now that's actually a very useful one.

Reply to
Austin Shackles

But how does it *know*? Vibration?

Reply to
David French

Multifunction

A friend in Oman was telling me about an expat who bought an L322 and took it wadi-bashing. Managed to get it stuck in water (hard enough to find in Oman) up to the windscreen. I bet that did a lot of good to the electronics. The "Shit this water is deep" ECU must have had a field day.

David

Reply to
David French

If you're interpreting the acronym as meaning Electronic Control Unit, I'd say it was being used appropriately.

It's a sensor of sorts, but instead of providing an single analogue or digital readout, it's a more complex bit of logic which can be interrogated electronically and can respond with complex answers to complex requests. It's effectively a computer in its own right, as you say above. That's why Rovacomlite has a special bit of software to interrogate each one, I guess.

Doesn't have to be, just gives more flexibility if it is. If you have the bus there anyway, you may as well use it.

Reply to
David French

On or around Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:23:21 +0100, "David French" enlightened us thusly:

fuctifino. but it's a handy idea, even so.

Reply to
Austin Shackles

I can't believe this, have they really got such a thing?

Reply to
Simon Barr

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