Top Gear tonight...

Nov 23, 2003 70 Replies

The thing that is true about lots and lots of performance cars / coupes / desireable / expensive cars is that young men can't afford to buy them new and run them. It's not until mid-life crisis age that people can afford to start buying that sort of car.

Young drivers end up with very second hand body kitted and modded base models, and gravitate to faster ones when funds allow.

-- James

Wheel spin and power induced understeer causes some transmission loss or is that frictional loss?

-- James

As I said the official figures are very conservative. True bout the power losses, 4wd saps the power :/

Of all the reviews be it in a mag or on tv that I've seen, the sti/P1 has been the preferred choice overall.

And of all the reviews I've seen between an Impreza and an Evo, the Evo is the preferred choice.

Etc, etc.

From a personal viwepoint the Evo is also /my/ preferred car, the Scoob is just too much of a letdown on the inside - and that's before you even drive the thing :)

The Sunny GTi-R is a supreme car. I hold it on a par with the Evo, definetely above the Impreza.

Here here! I have a friend down the road with one, He has had it about 2 months and its turned into a massive can of worms which he is currently sorting out, but it is a beast (well it sure will be!), and amazingly not too hard to work on, not compared to the micra anyway.

There was one in the place I went to get a quote for new clutch in my

200SX. The chap there was not impressed - keeps saying he takes on all the bastard jobs that no one else in town will touch. Took 3 days (worked on it at slack times and did 3 other cars at the same time) to get the engine out and back in. The engine had to come out as there was no way the gearbox could be slid off the diff. Couldn't take diff and gearbox off as the diff was bolted to engine in such a way that some bolts couldn't be seen with the engine in the car. It was supposed to be the replacement for the 240RS (S12) but as a clutch or gearbox change would have taken the whole duration of a rally it clearly wasn't up to it.

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Very true. I belive it is possible to do a clutch change with the box in the car, but you need to remove the transfer box first.

I do wonder about problems like this, and how it must have affected the car in rally, same as mine, the things would be horrid to work on under pressure.

Ed

you think they're bad, try changing an Integrale clutch...

No idea, but you don't get "Wheel spin and power induced understeer" above

50-60mph, for obvious reasons !

What are you talking about. The scoob cabin has always been a class up from the Evo.

I disagree. The Evo deffo has a better inside.

Which car is "better" though, is down to personal preference. They're both VERY evenly matched.

I think i'd rather have the Evo, just for the exclusivity (Impreza's are common as Saxo's now), but stupid stuff like the 6k service intervals would put me off. Mind you, if i had one it probly wouldn't be a daily driver anyway, so that wouldn't really matter :)

Ah true - but an Evo VI would be sweet - whats the most insane version of that?

"The test route includes a dip in the road that punishes most cars Pathak tests, but the Evo, despite its stiff suspension, doesn?t bottom out. Neither does its rival, the Subaru WRX, though Pathak says the Subie oscillates a bit. The Evo stays tight on its line and takes an off-camber corner like it?s routine."

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Saw an Australian site that said Impreza lost out on the track to

200SX (250bhp S15 I assume). So you need a Whiteline suspension pack. Of course they also sell suspension packs for the 200SX to ensure it stays ahead.

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WRX is consistently knocked off at the race track (tarmac) by 200SX's and many others.

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heh yeh tuned sxs against stock scoobs, nuff said :/

Noway I disagree, Ive driven Evos 4-8 and theyre aweful inside, granted the scoob interiors arent anything to cum over either, but they are definately better.

Oh yeh I was never disputing that, the Evo is an awesome motor. But more suited to track than daily driver imo.

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