Actually, my point was something like this:
CFrog is now going on 15 years old and still running just fine. And, while
5.0's are becoming increasingly scarce, there are still plenty around.Where are all these great SHO's? Where'd they go?
dwight
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There were never that many to begin with - nobody even knew they existed. Chalk up another one for Ford Marketing...
To give credit where it is due, what made the SHO noteworthy was the YAMAHA engine it sported. It just so happened that someone within Ford was smart enough to marry it to a slightly tweaked Taurus chassis. Without that Yamaha motor the SHO wasn't all that great, IMO. That motor would have made a Pinto great.
I always felt the Yamaha engine should have been put into the SVO Mustang. That and putting the car on a serious diet would have made for one great ride.
I hate to say it but I rarely see any 5.0L Mustangs in the Washington, DC area anymore.
I never drove a SHO but I did drive a late 1980s Taurus as a dealer loaner car for a week. It had the pushrod V-6 with an automatic. While going doing I-295 outside of Richmond I opened it up and to my surprise it hit 115-120 mph without a problem before I backed off. It had a little left in it too. At that speed it was eerily silent with little wind noise. It can only imagine how well a SHO would run anywhere north of 80-90 mph. I have to agree that a stock 5.0L Mustang would have big trouble hanging with it at triple digit speeds.
EXACTLY!
I have 2 of them still...
Obviously...
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Well you are right, they have a 140 mile an hour speedometer, and bone stock off the show room floor have ZERO problem burying that. Any rolling contest with an 5.0 near stock isn't a contest, the SHO doesn't just get ahead or stay ahead, they continue to gain until the mustang tops out and keeps on going... BTW: There are almost ZERO mechanical drive train and suspension, part shared between a standard Taurus and the SHO version.
Like I said anyone who has ever matched a stock late 80's SHO up against a stock late 80's 5 liter Mustang (when both were actually racing each other) knows the Mustang can't touch the SHO, it is not even close.
Yamaha designed Yes. The were awesome, dual intake runners on each cylinder, 800-4000 RPM wow, then the secondary (high RPM) intake runners open up and it is just like a big block four barrel carburetor kicking in, hold on to over 8000 RPM
Now if Ford would have done that to a 5 liter V-8 WOW!
Like I said, the first 5 liter Mustang I ran away from I was hooked on the SHO.
EVER, and there were many 5.0 drivers trying to pick their chins
My experiences racing SHOs is by the time I'd get to highway speeds the race was already over. I'd look in the rear view and they'd either given up or I'd have to back off a little so they could catch up. I do agree they did have good kick on the highway, much like the turbo T-birds did.
Not on a drag strip they didn't, nor did they on a light-to-light run. I raced a couple back in the day, and a friend of mine owned one. They were fun to race, but they weren't a threat. The GNs and the 350 F-bodies were the ones you had to stay on your toes with. The GN would fall off after about 75 mph. The 350 F-bodies you could pull on off the line and then they would slowly, slowly fade off the rest of the race.
Patrick
Nah, he's blowing smoke. Been there done it many times. The little Hybrid V8 would keep up pretty good but that's about it. The SHO would spin the front tires on take off and never catch up again until the 5.0 let up.
SHO's EVER, and there were many 5.0 drivers trying to pick their chins
There were 3 that couldn't hang with me on the Interstate either, that was before I had mods too.
No you are the one blowing smoke, you are talking about a different car, The V-8 SHO came out in '96, mushy suspension and tires and automatic only, you are almost a decade late to this race...
Gheeze...
Dude, the other driver has to actually know you are racing him and actually be trying to beat you, or it doesn't actually count...
Christ, if I race with your misguided method, I just blew a Viper away off the light Saturday night in my truck. He couldn't hang.
If the truth about the SHO sticks in your craw so bad, you might actually try driving one against a 5.0 liter mustang, then get back to us when you aren't talking out your ass...
Blah blah blah, and your reading retention is sorely lacking. I only mentioned it because it was faster and still didn't do what you claim the V6 to do. That was the days when I went to the track EVERY weekend. You're wrong.
Well when the 6 of us are on the highway going to the race track you'd expect they all know. And I have, and you're full of it. That's 3 different SHOs with 3 different drivers the other 3, 2 5.0s and 1 289, you're still wrong. Been there, done it, got the T-shirt. Next....
You really do need to take a remedial reading course, one that concentrates on reading comprehension! Your are the one off base here, you are talking about 1/4 mile drag racing, something I haven't addressed, or eluded to, please try and follow along.
I put over 180,000 highway miles on 3 (1989,1991 & 1994) 3.0 V-6 SHO's between Seattle and Los Angeles. Out on the opened highway (actually any place from a rolling start) some of these 5.0 mustangs and I had literally hours and hundreds of miles to compare, two people, their two cars and hundreds of miles of wide open empty interstate, laying everything on the line, there was literally no comparison. Zero, none of them not once, could out run my SHO's on the highway, period.
Besides the V-8 SHO with it's weight increase, inferior suspension and tires, and slush box only (all in the name of softening it up for the mindless masses) with a measly published 15 horsepower increase, in no way shape or form out performed the original 3.0 liter V-6 Manual SHO's
Naturally Aspirated!
3.0 liter SHO V-6 220 HP 73 HP/liter 7200 RPM redline 3.4 liter DuraTec V-8 235 HP 69 HP/liter 6800 RPM redline 5.0 Mustang V-8 225 HP 45 HP/liter 5900 RPM redline Just because it offends you for some strange reason, doesn't make it any less true:You better head back to the "track" where you might actually have half a clue what you are talking about.
Here are a few quotes to get you started, from people who actually have hands on experience, and aren't just talking out their asses...
I'll confirm those claims, my car was easily faster from 60 and up than either of the '89 and '91 Mustangs (4.9 liter, 5-speed, 225 horses) I owned at the time, only falling behind them in low-end torque.
The engine has huge modification potential. With some really wild tuning and exhaust pieces, you can get +100-horses without going into the engine (and this engine already has excellent cams and a fabulous intake - perhaps the most exotic intake to ever come on an American car). The exhaust system was very restrictive - allegedly a Borla could unleash 52 extra horsepower! The engine is built to live at engine speeds of 9000 RPM - although Ford's belt-driven accessories wouldn't be able to survive. There are tuners around, and a supercharger is even available.
If selecting the perfect head casting is as obscure to you as helping your spouse shop for shoes I have some great news. If you have a SHO you have few options, but then again you don't need any. SHO heads, either V6 or V8 are as exotic as it gets and perform just great from idle to redline and make so much HP per cubic inch that I no longer lust after the rare and exotic heads of my youth. While the lust for obsolete heads may have waned, intelligent reverse engineering and discussion of SHO heads is hard to come by. This is not, and need not be a "how to improve your heads" article since ours work very well thank you. But if you are interested in how the put the Super High Output in your SHO this is both your primmer and anatomy book. If anyone wants to develop the skills to do competition head work, valve seats, porting and polishing this article may serve as a guide.
Year Make Model 0-60mph 1/4 Mile Time
1988 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 15.00 1989 Ford Taurus SHO 6.6 15.20OT but still SHO versus Lightning
SHO with 3 mods, a clutch, Y-pipe and solid motor mounts walks away from a stock. 95 Mustang GT...
And from a rolling start, this slightly modified 0ld 990 3.0 liter SHO can take a new 3-valve 4.6 liter 300HP GT... LMFAO
Like I have already said, untill you have actually driven a stock 3.0 liter SHO against a stock 5.0 liter Mustang of the same generation, you really don't have a dog in this fight... Carry on, everyone has the right to remain ignorant...
"actually any place from a rolling start"
Describe your rolling start. Are you talking about a 60-65 mph roll? If so, a SHO against a 5.0 GT with some 2.73s, I could see the SHO edging it out on a run up into triple digits. The Mustang's 5-speed
3rd gear ratio is pretty crappy and a GT's aero number is .38 vs and LX's slicker .36. But if you're talking a first or second gear roll _to_ triple digits it's and second place finish for a SHO.HP per liter doesn't win a drag race; horsepower to weight ratio does. (Traction being equal.)
I could be wrong, but I think he mentioned racing them on the highway to the track too.
2.73s or 3.08s? GT's of LX 5.0s?Got any links?
extra horsepower!
If it's Borla's claim (or any after-market company), I say it's BS until I saw an independent shop confirm it.
The
available.http://www.drivingenthusiast.net/sec-ford/special-reports/sho/sho-vs-... No doubt it's a sweet motor. I heard stories of engineers putting a brick on the accelerator leaving for a while then coming back and the motor was still just humming away at redline.
Someone mentioned it was a shame Ford never put a SHO motor in a Mustang to create a second generation Mustang SVO. I agree. It would have been a very nice setup!
Any 5-speed '87 or '88 5-liter LX is can run a mid 14, some driving skill a low 14, and if you can get a good hook and you power shift it you can get a high 13.
Mine ran a 14.2. It was my first time at a drag strip and I didn't power shift.
A modified car beats a stock or less modified car, big deal.
LMFAO
See my opening comments/comparisons again.
I'll concede and admit the SHO is a strong runner on the highway, but in a drag race against 5-liter Mustang the SHO takes the silver.
Patrick
The Yamaha V6 car was better in almost every way, from an enthusiast's standpoint anyway.
I'm not saying it was faster than the 5.0, especially with the 5-speed (I owned an '88 LX) but it was most deffinately a better all around car. Handled better, rode better, etc.
The above assuming both cars were stock of course.
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