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Why worry about accuracy, now? You never have before.
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I see you're one of those that believes everything he reads on the internet.
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Dave wrote:

Would you care to tell the nice folks what was promised to the Hispanic caucus last week to guarantee their vote? (hint: they pretended to be balking at Obamacare until they were given this guarantee)
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FatterDumber& Happier Moe wrote:

Yep - typical government solution: Got a bad situation - someone broke a leg so you put a tourniquet on their arm. Problem is the leg is still broken, and now you have to amputate the arm.
Yeah - I love the "But we *have* to do something!!!" crowd.
How about fix it with solutions that would really accomplish something? What a concept.
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Don't waste your time arguing with either Fathead Moe or any of the other liberals here. They don't listen to any opinion they don't agree with. They think all people that don't agree with them are righttards, and they quickly degenerate into namecalling. They've smoked the hopium and their minds are blown.
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On 21/03/2010 6:37 PM, charlesgrozny wrote:

Agreed. Most of the liberals are losers. Screwed up their lives and now want others to pay for it without any plans to change their ways. All these hard luck stories...hey, pay your bills! Novel idea.
Far too many with low moral values, liberal sized debtors living high on the hog now want producers and winners to pay for their bad habbits.
But there is more too it. The government is debt spending a record amount, and needs cash. Which is really what this is about, governemtn wants more cash and health care is a juicy cow. Get the money then dumb down the costs while taxes go up.
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Canuck57 wrote:

Hang some Wall Street banksters from a few lampposts if you want real reform. Anyone remember a year ago? The financial crisis brought on by subprime loans. Fip that house? Worse then the Salomi Pirates! But one thing is for sure, if there is any money to be made from the health care bill (and there is) Wall Street will be there doing what it does. Liberal? Me? Shit, I'm one of those paying for everyone's dialysis, pacemakers, plastic knees, pig heart valves, food stamps, and free medical care, while I go without basic health care. And I have to park way far out at the wallyworld parking lot and walk all the way to and from the store so the sick, lame and lazy can park up front and get their scooters at the door. Now look what you miserable nattering nabobs have done, you ruran't my day. You got me complaining and gripping an crying. Actually I'm taking a break from working on my taxes. No cheer up you guys, think what a hottie Palosi must have been, we'd a done her in a minute back in our hunting days. Probably some conservative did and that's why she is the way she is.
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On 21/03/2010 8:26 PM, FatterDumber& Happier Moe wrote:

So how come Obama hasn't jailed a single one? Nada, not even a peep. Not even an attempt. Bailout some banks and not others, might the uber-rich politician supporting depositors have anything to do with that?
Think, next year you will have more forms to fill out as taxes be going up.
Conservatives would not want to risk their seed to Pelosi. Or have to be pretty darned drunk. Maybe that is the reason she is so for Ombama? Getting some? Would not be the first time a democrat president got some fling in the White House Oval office.
Think how easy this recession would have been if everyone was forced to pay their bills or die. Including GM, banks, home owners who welshed and now get Obama aid.
Debtors, losers and the corrupt now rule. Needs to be changed for a real recovery to happen.
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Oh, the irony.............
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Plonk. I'm tired of arguing with idiots like you. Go do something anatomically impossible to yourself. After you go play on the freeway.
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Damn, did I hit a nerve?
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On 2010-03-21 16:39:22 -0700, FatterDumber& Happier Moe

Are you going to feel this way when your taxes skyrocket, and you can't just pick up the phone to make a doc appointment that'll be in the near future?
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All of the taxes on people and business start at once but the "benefits" do not kick in for three to four years from now.
Watch what happens to the price of goods and services as the corporations and business pass on their extra taxes and higher health care costs to consumers. By the way your FICA withholding is going up as well. Is this the change all the idiots voted for?
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Perhaps something should be done, but this bill is not the answer. See what the real cost is and who is going to pay for it.
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:

This bill is not THE answer, but at least it's an answer that's better than the status quo, which managed to make our health care the costliest among the developed democracies and is doing nothing in regards to cost control. Switzerland is in second place, spending 12% of GDP on health care. If we were able to hold our costs to that level we'd save about $2,000 per American citizen. Imagine getting a $2,000 tax cut every year.
The best solution would allow anybody to choose Medicare or a private plan, but the kneejerk far right scared people by shouting "socialism!", so we're stuck with a system that provides no competition to keep private insurers in check. We should also do something to unburden doctors from so many different sets of coverage rules, which only waste their time but don't cut costs or improve treatment.
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The problem is this bill is not struck down by the Supreme Court it will increase the cost of healthcare for everyone, except those that already getting free healthcare in the US under the Hill Burton Act.
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Mike Hunter wrote:

And the problem with your line of reasoning is that the evidence doesn't support you -- every other developed democracy and Singapore have lower health care costs than we do, despite the much higher levels of socialism in their health systems. IOW countries like France and Germany, whose economies are dragged down by having way too much socialism in general, would actually be worse off if their health care systems were more free market.
And what is that private health insurance system you said covers you and has lower premiums and better benefits than Medicare? You've dodged that question several times, probably because you didn't tell the truth about it.
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Mike Hunter wrote:

That seems like a begrudging admission that you lied about your private health plan being better and cheaper than Medicare. If it's not, then you're still lying.
Show me some developed democracies with more expensive health care systems than what we have.
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