134a Refrigerant

Jun 04, 2005 818 Replies

If I remember chem class, if you mix water and alcohol, the mixture has less volume than the total of both contributants, so that would make it slightly heavier by unit volume, and a waste of good scotch.

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Stephen Cowell proclaimed:

Conversion of baryonic mass to muons. Check your string theory for details.

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nope. thats what you get for asking your sisters husbands brother. :-)

exactly. since you were claiming to know so much about the hvac industry i threw out an industry term to watch you choke on it.

.....and it was a pleasure. :-)

nope. my usage of tar-baby is nothing more than to reflect you as a worthless stool. :-)

TRANSLATION --> "red herring". i never said that an HMC was or was not a brand or anything else. i just threw out the term knowing you would choke on it.

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TRANSLATION --> "i missed it by a mile" :-)

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lol...this coming from someone who cannot define "mix" LOL! :-)

How come when you mix a cup of alcohol and a cup of water you get LESS than

2 cups of the mixed materials?

1 + 1 = 2. 2 is heavier than 1.

Heavier than the components summed individually? Perhaps you can tell us where the extra weight comes from! __ Steve .

Now you've gone TOO far. *Everyone* knows you need a small splash of spring water to bring out the flavor and bouquet of a good single malt. Soda water on the other hand is a hanging offense.

I disagree. Molecule size has nothing to do with it. Consider that there is a large difference in molecule size between oil and water molecules so they should fit comfortably between each other, but because they are immiscible the mixed volume stays the same and no mater how hard you shake it, there are still two separate phases. Read the following three definitions. The key to complete miscibility is the ability to form a single phase solution.

1) immiscible. immiscibility. Two liquids are considered "immiscible" or unmixable if shaking equal volumes of the liquids together results in a meniscus visible between two layers of liquid. If the liquids are completely immiscible, the volumes of the liquid layers are the same as the volumes of liquids orginally added to the mixture. 2) miscible. miscibility; liquid miscibility. Two liquids are considered "miscible" or mixable if shaking them together results in a single liquid phase, with no meniscus visible between layers of liquid. 3) partial miscibility. Two liquids are considered partially miscible if shaking equal volumes of the liquids together results in a meniscus visible between two layers of liquid, but the volumes of the layers are not identical to the volumes of the liquids originally added.

Jeff, This is America and you certainly have the right to disagree. You also have the right to be wrong which is good in this case as you are incorrect in your disagreement.

I will refer you to this page from the Argonne National Labrotory where this question is answered by the Science, Math, and Computer Science Education Department for a 8 year old..

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2 is not heavier than 1+1... that's the point.

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For one thing, Freon is not a 'mixture'... that's the wrong term. Freon is a chemical compound... and the combined components are not heavier than the original components. Basic chemistry. __ Steve .

No really... too funny!

Read my previous post re mixtures and compounds... you've a lot to learn, grashopper! __ Steve .

No, you don't have to translate... your s*it is weak.

How about Google?

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Well, describe how I 'choked'... that is, *after* you gave the *brand name* definition for 'HMC'.

Then why are you all covered in tar, with a goofy grin on your face? Use a literary device, expect the entire package used back. Just like your 'brand name' faux pas...

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Actually, I don't give a s*it *what* you think you said about any HMC... it's a brand name, and Freon's a compound, and you're stuck with it!

I actually gave a pretty good explanation of how it could be used... without asking anyone. Then you didn't reply in kind... because you didn't dare.

I asked nobody... and you can't prove otherwise. I must have come pretty close, since you won't get very close to discussing it. =20

Describe it for us! You've been avoiding it! I *gave* you the explanation from the Google results... or are you saying that was wrong too? __ Steve .

So if I go stand on the Equator, then magically the air from the North side will only blow North, and the air from the South side will only blow South? What about the vacuum in between? And what keeps the air one foot north from mixing with the air one foot south? And what about mid- Spring or Fall, and the Sun is at vertex at one of the Tropics? Have you ever seen the Analemma, Bill? It means that the Sun is not always directly overhead at the Equator... it goes back and forth. This creates high and low pressure zones on different sides of the Equator... and we know what that means!

What if I breathe air one foot north, then walk over and breathe it out one foot south? Will an Atmospheric Policeman stop me? __ Steve .

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