134a Refrigerant

Jun 04, 2005 818 Replies

I find all kinds of references to it otherwise... I claim popular use.

Typical Republicon... avoid the issue, attack the source, claim cheating when no evidence is shown.

Suppose you tell me why the head pressure control couldn't be bypassed, as long as a) ambient doesn't drop and b) refrigerant is removed in order to compensate for the lost liquid retention in the condenser. =20

But you did indeed back away from your complaining about, then using, a brand name. It's in the archives... forever.

He described Freon as a compound... you said it was not. That is most certainly mistaken. You seem unaware that Freon can be both a brand and a compound... actually, you are grasping at straws, as you have been the whole time. The archives contain the entire conversation... it is *indeed* disingenuous of you to call me a liar when anyone can go verify for themselves. __ Steve .

Just like Dick Cheney, John Ashcroft, George Will, Pat Buchannan, Clarence Thomas, Paul Wolfowitz, and the other Chickenhawks? You smear me!

Does the air mix, one foot north and south of the Equator? __ Steve .

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mixture, in chemistry, a physical combination of two or more pure substances (i.e., elements or compounds). A mixture is distinguished from a compound, which is formed by the chemical combination of two or more pure substances in a fixed, definite proportion. The components of a mixture retain their own chemical properties and may be present in any proportion.

It would be much easier to let others tell the tale...

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Particularly edifying are the following, from Wiki:

A chemical compound is a chemical substance formed from two or more = elements, with a fixed ratio determining the composition. For example, = dihydrogen monoxide (water, H2O) is a compound composed of two hydrogen = atoms for every oxygen atom.=20

In general, this fixed ratio must be fixed due to some sort of physical = property, rather than an arbitrary man-made selection. This is why = materials such as brass, the superconductor YBCO, the semiconductor = aluminium gallium arsenide, or chocolate are considered mixtures or = alloys rather than compounds.=20

__ Steve .

L.W.(ßill) Hughes III wrote: >Just so you now know, the volume change created by mixing is their > new density.

Here you state [Volume Change = Density]. Are you saying I am wrong in calling you on such an obviously incorrect statement, or are you saying that you think you have made a correct statement?

Aga> My God, are you dense!

Another howler! It *damn* sure doesn't equal Pi... Pi is one of the *irrational* numbers... that means, for you folk that haven't had advanced math as Bill and I have, that it *can't* be represented as a ratio of integers. 22/7 is only good out to three digits... if you can rattle off 3.1415927 like a phone number, you don't need that 22/7 thing anyway. __ Steve .

TRANSLATION --> "im a liar"

yes oh yes, only you could possibly know that.

typical ego of a liberal, nobody knows but you.

.....what a dumbass. you cannot change an entire industry because it fits your argument. liar.

more babble. i nailed you on it. i recognize my limitations and immediately own it. you lie, make excuses, and attempt to dazzle us with bullshit in hopes of hiding your blatent ignorance.

because its irrelevant dumb ass. the criteria was subzero temps otherwise you would have no excuse not to change the HMC.

liar. i complained about his definition of a brand name.

wrong liar. he _defined_ freon as a compound. to quote: "freon is a compound".

mistaken? dictionary.com

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defines it as:

"A trademark used for a variety of nonflammable gaseous or liquid fluorinated hydrocarbons employed primarily as working fluids in refrigeration and air conditioning and as aerosol propellants."

it is a trademark used. it is not a compound, a mixture, or anything else. im right, youre wrong, now spin and lie like a good liberal.

liar.

No Nate, you were simply being a pedantic little prick attempting to deflect the core of the discussion with a bit of minutia. You had made the statement that CFCs were mixtures. Mixtures and compounds are not the same thing. I am aware that Freon is a registered trademark, but it has become so generic that to the common man if you were to use the word they instantly know what you are talking about. An excellent example of this is to search E-Bay (tm) for Freon. Hundreds of hits for Freon-12 and Freon Sniffers, and Freon conversion kits. As an "Industry Insider" you, of course, are daily exposed machinations of DuPont's legal department is trying to reassert some level of branding.

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a final note, when I skin a knuckle working on my jeep, I put a bandaid on it.

with a fixed ratio determining the composition. For example, dihydrogen monoxide (water, H2O) is a compound composed of two hydrogen atoms for every oxygen atom.

property, rather than an arbitrary man-made selection. This is why materials such as brass, the superconductor YBCO, the semiconductor aluminium gallium arsenide, or chocolate are considered mixtures or alloys rather than compounds.

Here is what you wrote: L.W.(ßill) Hughes III wrote: >Just so you now know, the volume change created by mixing is their > new density.

Let's parse your statement: [Just so you now know,] Non-sequitur. Ignore

[created by mixing] Qualifier, we can take that out. which leaves the meat or your statement:

volume change is their new density.

If you want to divide it up a little finer, the [change] and [their new] are simply descriptors referring th the new state and can be dropped.

this leaves "volume is density"

Perhaps you would like to rephrase it in a more coherent and cohesive manner?

L.W.(ßill) Hughes III wrote:

The parsing of your statement was straight forward. No deductive powers involved at all, simply a carving up of a statement to the core assertion. Show the flaws.

straws???

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