LPG conversion - chicken and egg runaround

It's a convenience, not a necessity, though. ISOFIX = good idea. Reason to change whole car? Nah.

IIRC, when I was younger my friends with younger siblings had seats that were semi-bolted to the car frame. Orange straps and bolts on the parcelshelf (when that was a metal, integral part of a typical saloon car). Really not all that removed from ISOFIX.

Richard

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Richard Kilpatrick
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Are you trying to prove that moving goalposts is a viable form of transport?

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Steve Firth

The entire reason for my comments on this thread has been that I don't like LPG converted cars. Whilst I'm sure you'd like to think, and indeed are welcome to do so, that I'm too dumb to figure out the costs and benefits of these things for myself, I assure you I am and don't want LPG converted cars.

You may now resort to a random attack, remark or smartarse comment, as per usual. So far, to have perfected the standard nntp argument format you also need to accuse me of "projecting", so there's the material for you.

Richard

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Richard Kilpatrick

Not in USA it isn't, they have a nice "farm still" law that permits production of ethanol for fuel. It was a major competitor to petrol in the early days of motoring (pre mid 1930's) and much favoured by Ford.

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Just UK customs and excise that makes it a problem. Once you add 15% petrol to make it undrinkable that problem goes away and the "road fuel duty" problem appears.

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Peter Hill

When discussing this with people in the pub, I think that the largest barrier to it is the environmental impact of producing it from sugarcane, at least - as I usually use Brazil's success with the fuel as an example, so it's countered with the production methods used then and how they might have progressed.

OTOH, environmental impact may not be the be-all and end-all of it, as if the oil runs out, the overall impact of producing it may be offset by the lack of oil product emissions.

Richard

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Richard Kilpatrick

One wonders why you didn't say so instead of making up a load of specious bollocks then.

Oh I think you're well into that, I'll leave you to it.

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Steve Firth

Alcohol in Italy is 24p/litre from the supermarket. I've been running a

3KVA generator on it because the price of petrol is silly for this use.
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Steve Firth

Algae based biocrude is the answer. Crack it with heat/pressure and get diesel weight fuel, and "petrol" base, and the lighter elements too.

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Elder

When Rolls-Royce was based in Crewe and owned by Vickers all bench testing development work on V8s was done using LPG. Then they bodged it to run on petrol for the road and many people have then bodged them back to running on they were designed for - LPG.

There are very few LPG pumps on lorry accessible forecourts. LPG is SI fuel not really suited to CI.

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of fuel used LPG. Saving about 18.5% on total cost. Takes 6 timeslonger to pay back conversion costs. Ok a HGV doing 60K/year will takea year or two (and will win *ALL* the lorry "races"). I can see where you and many people are coming from. It's the same place that Diesel Mercs were in the 1970's. The big problem with them back then was there were not many Diesel pumps. Most were on cinder covered HGV depots, out of town on trunk roads. It was dirty resulting in stains if spilt, smelly, noisy and slow. All that's changed is, it's now available on regular car filling station forecourts, where the pumps have big greasy black slicks of spilt fuel around them.

LPG is ultra clean to use, virtually impossible to spill when filling and when properly setup yields better performance than 99 Ron petrol.

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Peter Hill

*Virtually* impossible to spill? Aside from the puff of gas you get when releasing the nozzle, I've not spilt any yet :-)

And it's rather siphon-proof too. Lost the little plastic cap for mine ages back - never been too bothered - it's a pressure sealed system, and as I said to the garage that service the van - if someone wants to have a go at siphoning the stuff out, they're more than welcome to try....

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AstraVanMann

I'd laugh if they got the tube attached and then gave a big suck.

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Steve Firth

Even more if they lit a cig to recover.

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Tim S Kemp

"Woof"

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Steve Firth

That rather depends if it ever happens or if certain oil giants have just been spending a few dollars on the research in order to strengthen their green credentials. Since such research will be commercially sensitive, it won't yield any scientific papers or anything that can be reviewed openly. And said oil giant could quietly pull the plug on the project anytime they wanted without any adverse publicity. Not that that would happen, of course...

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Willy Eckerslyke

Quick test - do not look it up

Name all the common engine variants of the Vauxhall Opel Omega

More of them sold than a 924S so if you know anything about cars you will know

1 bit of help

4 Diesels (3 in UK)

7 Petrols and one petrol which didn't pass high speed testing.
Reply to
Martin

Shite, Mediocre, Bought in from other manufacturers, and "boat anchor".

Or if you prefer:

V6s - 2.5, 2.6 (rare, though), 3.0, 3.2 Inline fours - 2.0, 2.2 (petrol and diesel). Don't think they gave it the 2.2 Turbo lump.

And the BMW diesel.

Plus V8s on the platform derivatives from Holden etc.

Thing is, though, your 924/924S remark is just so very... old. I used to get it when I had the 924S, and opening the bonnet usually shut people up.

Richard

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Richard Kilpatrick

Vauxhall have never sold anything in the Omegas era with a 2.2 Turbo afaik? Did you mean the 2.0 Turbo as found in the Astra/Zafira? Or the earlier 2.0 Turbo as sold in the Cavalier/Calibra?

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DanB

I mean that the 2.2 Turbo engine, which was in some GM cars around the same time (Vectras? Possibly overseas, but I remember griping that it wasn't sold here) didn't make it in, but it got the 2.2 non-turbo.

Richard

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Richard Kilpatrick

That sums up the 2.5TD

Correct but 2.6 is not that rare, very good lumps though!

2.0 8 valve, 16 valve, 2.0 and 2.2 TD

12 V only in UK, EU got the later 24V

The failed prototype was a V8

Not bothering with the Aussie variant, and there was a US only 3.0 as well

Anyway as long as you get the point about there are lots of different cars

Reply to
Martin

Different non turbo

Vectra ect got a cam chain engine, Omega and Frontera had a stroked version of the 2.0 Ecotec cam belt engine

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Martin

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