(ot) FAO ADSL users.

Godfrey vs Demon Internet.

If you're stupid enough to think that the ruling did not matter then you should avoid anything to do with providing services over the internet. Because that ruling can bite you just as hard as it did Demon.

Sorry, you claimed to know something about computing. I didn't realise you were an amateur. My consultancy fees are quite reasonable if you need to buy a clue.

Ghod on a bicycle do none of you ever read security manuals, and if you don't WTF do I keep writing them?

No doubt your passwords are the names of your kids/cars/favourite pets/boyband as well.

(raises hand)

In article Nom says...

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You're the one that needs the clue...

Published Thursday 30th March 2000 08:51 GMT

Demon Internet has agreed to pay =A315,000 to a scientist after failing to= =20 remove defamatory postings on newsgroups it hosted. The UK ISP will=20 apologise to Dr Laurence Godfrey, as well as paying his legal costs,=20 which could top =A3250,000. Add in its own legal fees and Demon is facing= =20 a bill of half a million smackers. Dr Godfrey alleged Demon had failed=20 to remove defamatory material on a newsgroup it hosted. It related to a=20 message posted three years ago on soc.culture.thai, purporting to come=20 from him and containing damaging allegations of a personal nature. A=20 second posting contained defamatory comments about Dr. Godfrey. Dr=20 Godfrey told the BBC: "I am happy with the settlement. I don't think=20 there is a right, in fact I'm quite sure there's no right, to libel=20 other people on the Internet, to concoct fabricated allegations and try=20 to destroy people's reputations." The case, which hinged on whether=20 Demon could be treated as a publisher of the material, will have=20 repercussions on other ISPs who will see it as a gagging order. Most=20 host newsgroups and fear they could be found liable for any content=20 posted by their users. Demon estimates that one million individual=20 articles are posted in more than 35,000 active news groups each day. All=20 well and good. But before we climb too high up the civil liberties=20 flagpole, it is useful to recall just how incompetent Demon Internet was=20 in dealing with Dr. Godfrey. He informed the company several times about=20 the postings. Demon failed to respond. Now it is paying the price. =AE=20 Demon Internet statement Dr Laurence Godfrey vs Demon Internet (Thus=20 plc) Thus today announces that it has reached an agreement with Dr=20 Laurence Godfrey, which brings to a close the two cases he brought=20 against its Internet Service Provider brand, Demon Internet. We can now=20 draw a line under this issue and focus on serving our customers and=20 building our business. Concluding this matter in a reasonable way is in=20 the best interests of the company and its customers. Thus remains=20 convinced that the law has not kept pace with the development of the=20 Internet and will work with our colleagues in the industry to lobby for=20 modernisation of the law. Thus will press the Government for recognition=20 that ISPs should not be liable for the millions of items carried on the=20 Internet every day. While we take our obligations very seriously, and=20 act when informed of any defamatory or unsuitable material, it is=20 contrary to common sense to make ISPs responsible for the millions of=20 items carried on the Internet.=20

--=20 Conor

Legal leeching....

So they're lying then - its not unlimited and 1GB is what the DAILY cap of Karoos limited service was.

Definition:

\Un*lim"it*ed\, a.

1. Not limited; having no bounds; boundless; as, an unlimited expanse of ocean.

1. Undefined; indefinite; not bounded by proper exceptions; as, unlimited terms. ``Nothing doth more prevail than unlimited generalities.'' --Hooker.

2. Unconfined; not restrained; unrestricted.

Ascribe not unto God such an unlimited exercise of mercy as may destroy his justice. --Rogers.

{Unlimited problem} (Math.), a problem which is capable of an infinite number of solutions.

{Unlimited pump}, a kind of deep-well pump placed at the level of the water, and operated from above ground. -- {Un*lim"it*ed*ly}, adv. -- {Un*lim"it*ed*ness}, n.

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I do. I'm a good boy.

The joys of having a Prestel account in the mid 90's along with early Win95 meant that you re-installed so many times that you got the random

Karoo still use the same passgen program as Prestel did I think....

I actually considered working out if that says anything...

How would anyone know the name of my car? Not that my password is any of those things.

You mutter it in your sleep.

Do I? Sorry, didn't realise I'm off to kill anyone who I ever slept with, can't have people knowing I have a name for my car.

:o) i'm so glad i asked this question now :o)

Yes and no.

we have the standard "14 days notice iof we change your account" and the " we can do what we like if you impact our network"

we e-mailed 14 days notice and offered options. Those who chose to ignore it got contention enforced.

....because we havnt changed any T's and C's

Mason

we can deliver. for all of our 80 000 customers bar 243.

we make everything public.

So you can't deliver?

So if your average connection is 512k for £22/mth, and you advertise a 50:1 contention ratio, then you have available 1200 meg/s on your backhaul? and you're complaining about 243 maxed out 1 meg customers using 1/4 of your bandwidth because your rules say they can...

I'm sincerely hoping none of them are locked in a fixed term contract with you...

Yeah but I don't hide my newsgroups posts because I have no need too, It's also not hard to find out my real name, and how do you know his real name is SF ?

I'm still waiting for the papers!!

Ryan AKA Ronny

On the gallery I host, my registration is clear as day, also my hosting company has a phone number to contact me, and also has my picture, it also has my address in the domain details.

I would hardly say I "hide" myself from the community.