Says it all really (2025 Update)

I would say I am too, but not a bigot. I take the piss out of all other races equally and consider that have the right to do the same. If it's funny, I'll laugh.

If you've ever told a "Paki, Paddy, or Chinky" joke, then you are probably too, by those jokes alone.

"MB_UK" wrote

Which is patriotism, whether you like to admit it or not.

Steve.

Is it OK to laugh at "racist" jokes (technically religious jokes) if the joker is of the same faith?

Heard a good one on the BBC website (as told by a Moslem stand up comedian)..

It's said in the USA that a Black man can't get a fair trial. If you're an Arab or a Moslem, you can't even get a trail.

To quote Homer... "It's funny because it's true"

Pete.

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:35:46 +0100, Pete Smith wrote (more or less): ...

In the US, most Arabs are Christian.

In the US, most Muslems are black.

There is a way of telling lots of jokes so that everyone gets a laugh at everyone else and it diffuses the tension of everyday life. Danny Kyle, Scottish folksinger and MC who was alive until about 6 years ago was amazing. Jokes about protestants, catholics, jews etc and his guitar playing was excellent too. But I'd advise anyone to practice at home first :-)

Pete Smith (pete snipped-for-privacy@lethe.org.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

Umm, surely that's told against the US justice system, not against Blacks/Arabs/Moslems?

Therefore to be told by somebody "of the same faith", it ought to be told by a 'merkin lawyer.

Nope. Patriotism is "Loyalty to one's country and its values and principles.", not to it's football team.

Hmmm. I think the loyalty of football supporters is essentially tribal - they have an association of a common interest, a common desire for reflected glory and a common feeling of implied ownership of something.

The loyalty to a country is sort of the opposite - the people have no personal association, no essential common bonds, but they are actually part of something, and there is a broad assumption that what is good for the collection of individuals is good for the individual.

There are obvious similarities of mob-like behaviour, and I think that both do allow the individual to avoid responsibility for his own actions, so yes, both 'thick and sheep-like'.

Loyalty to a football team satisfies the same instincts as patriotism, all it's about is fulfillment of the human need for "Loyalty to a gang", the same thing whether focussed on a country, a religion or a sport team.

Equally thick (and sheep like) whichever way.

No, that can't be right. Kev drives a Rover 75 - very smoothly, steadily and 'correctly' - like I would do if I had one.. :-) Meanwhile I have to do the best I can with a Peugeot 406 HDi.

Best wishes all, Dave - alias TripleS.

Supporting the football team of ones own country seems an acceptable form of patriotism provided one does not descend to violence. The Sun on Thursday had a surprisingly apt comment by a psychologist on football yobbism :

'the lack of success in the personal life of the football yob coupled with the lack of success of his team on the football field is what leads to the violence.'

words to that effect anyhow.

I wouldn't agree with this. Most of the flag carrying, match watching folks are, like me, supporting the team because it is the English team, not because we are football fans. Come the end of Euro 2004 I'll watch football only when it's on the box at the pub or whatnot and I've nothing better to do.

It's the English team, because we don't have a British football team to support instead.

It's obviously patriotic to support the sporting teams of your country. At the end of Euro 2004 the flags will come off all the cars because it is patriotic support of the national team and nothing much else.

Same thing with rugby and cricket. I'd be ashamed if there *wasn't* plenty of support for the English (or, in some instances, British) teams / individuals in these sorts of competition.

There's no flag sticking out of my car because it would be a safety hazard.

Friend of mine holds a theory that I can't knock down, that the reason for the prevalence of violence in football as compared to rugby is that rugby has more 'reality' to the conflict on the pitch, and the results are therefore more acceptable as real by the fans.

Football with it's poncy little rules and regs about kicking the ball doesn't draw my respect, at least with rugby the team members do what anyone with any sense would do in trying to get the ball past the goal posts, they pick it up and run with it, chuck it to a mate, kick it when it needs to go far, and generally get the job *done* ;-)

Still wouldn't bother wasting time watching, even rugby.