GM Dealer Challenges the Toyota Tundra's Ads... AS BULL

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Thanks for the link. I am confused. If I go to

select

2500HD or 3500HD from the horizontal menu bar and then select engine choices from the vertical menu bar, they don't show the 8.1L V-8. Likewise, if I pick the Specification menu item from the far left menu, then select 2500HD or 3500HD from the horizontal menu, the only engine options listed are the 6.0L Gas Engine and the 6.6L Diesel. Even stranger, if I pick the "Build Your GMC" Menu Item, select 2007 and then pick the model drop down box, I don't see a choice for the 2500HD or 3500HD, only the 2500HD Classic or 3500HD Classic models (hold overs from last year). Weird. Yet your link clearly goes directly to a 2500HD (not classic). Finally, Edmunds.com doesn't list the 8.1L V-8 as an option for 2007 GMC 2500HD or 3500HD (not classic) but they do list it as an option for the "Classic" models.

Weird.

Ed

messagenews:460285b2$1@kcnews01...

In your dreams. Nobody builds engines with carbs any more. Toyota doesn't sell any push rod engines in the US. Nextel cup cars are highly regulated versions of a 1972 Chevy Winston Cup Car. The suspension is a many times revised 1965 Ford NASCAR front suspension, and the rear suspension is a highly refined 1970 GMC truck coil spring suspension with a refined Ford 9 inch rear gear. Nobody builds anything that crude for a road car. The cheapest Kia you can buy in the US is more technologically advanced than any Nextel Cup Car. Nextel Cup Cars are highly polished turds, but they are still turds. And now, all the turds have to fit the same turdplate (i.e. template). If it wasn't for the decals, you would not be able to tell the cars apart. NASCAR has degenerated into WWE on asphalt. The money is good, the racing is fake.

Ed

Big Al wrote: >

The Dodge site now shows the Mega Cab as only available for the Ram 2500 or 3500.

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That happened because the President, and many Republicans, wanted to move to the 'center' to gain Dimocrate support. Too bad they did not realize the only thing the Dims wanted was to get back in power, not do what is right for the country. If you doubt that look at what they are doing too the county, now that they are back in power.

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mike

Aw, geez, not this shit again.

If you think your statement does not apply in spades to the present administration (not saying whether or not it applies to any Dems) you're just as stupid as I always thought you were.

nate

Mike Hunter wrote:

On Mar 18, 2:53 pm, "dh" wrote: right now),

I love my '06 Tundra. I sat in an '07 the other day and I prefer the '06. The dash on the '07 is way too "blingy" for me.

You guys can get all wound up about how one truck pulls 10,000 pounds while another one (gasp!) pulls 10,500 pounds but the simple truth is that the Tundra is an extremely pleasant vehicle to drive; WAY nicer than the equivelant Ford, Dodge, or Chevy. It's quiet, smooth, and powerful, with great head and legroom... I'm a real estate agent and I don't hesitate one second to take clients around in my Tundra.

As far as what it can DO, well, it can do anything any other half-ton truck can do. I live out in the woods and heat my house with wood. One time recently, I was cutting firewood. There was another guy there with a big Dodge pickup. When we got done, we both had about the same amount of firewood in our trucks. Then I had the displeasure of following him down the mountain as he nursed his truck down the logging roads at about 10 mph! Point being, my truck did everything his "big tough" truck did, and I was passing cars on the way home once I got on the highway. Better yet, once I got the firewood unloaded, I was back to having a smooth, quiet, powerful, wonderfully reliable truck while he was stuck with his Dodge!

Another example. I hunt elk. Every year, we all pile all our crap into trailers and haul up up over the mountains to Idaho. One buddy drives a huge Dodge diesel. Another has a Chevy Tahoe. They are both very proud of their powerful rigs. Going up and over the mountains with our trailers, I just set my cruise control at 70 mph and let the truck do what it wanted. What it wanted, was to loaf along under no noticable strain. So... I wasn't exactly hauling a 32-foot trailer or something but I have friends with an American-truck bias who like to laugh the the Tundra is only good for hauling a couple sheets of plywood.. and that's just insane!

If I were truly using my truck, regularly, to haul a big horse trailer or thousands of pounds of bricks or something, I'd do the right thing and buy an F350 or big Dodge diesel- that's the right tool for the job. It's pretty much the oNLY tool for the job. But for ANY of the things that half-ton trucks do, the Tundra is the best choice, and Detroit knows it!

Oh- at 16,000 miles I have not had one thing wrong. Not one. Perfect. My buddy has a Corolla wagon with 280,000 miles on that runs like new. My other car is a '95 Land Cruiser with 135k on it... perfect. In the two years I've had it, I put an oxygen sensor in it. The Japanese are building the best cars on the planet, period.

-jeff

The big question is, why would you want a v6 f150?

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What kind of fuel economy do you get?

Toyota Tundras are fairly rare but I did get a ride in one, once, and was impressed at how nice the interior was.

Cheaper, better gas mileage, will do everything you need to do.

In my mind, a better question is why does anyone need a 5.7L 4 Door Pick-up with a hard tonneau cover over the pick-up bed?

Ed

I get about 20 on the highway and about 16 in mixed-use. I never do any straight-city driving...

-jeff

Thanks. I should have asked earlier, is it 4WD?

From what I read there are likely TWO in your state. ;)

mike

You must have missed my initial post where I say it could have been because the chap didn't know how to handle the vehicle....

Have you ever driven a Dakota with the v8 magnum engine?

That's fine. I just think they deliberatly constructed the commercial to make it seem as if the Tundra had exceptional brakes. Instead of running a 0-60-0 comparison, they could have run a straigth 0-60 and/or 60-0 comparison. But if they had done that, only the 0-60 would have been exceptional. By doing the commercial as shown, they were trying to make people think the brakes were really good - when they aren't anything special.

I test drove both an AWD and a FWD Fusion and honestly couldn't tell much difference. But I didn't run one through a slalom course. I got the AWD one anyhow. You can't get an AWD Camry or Accord. I don't know how the 4 cylinder FWD Fusion would have compared to the Accord or Camry. According to the Consumer Reports road tests, a 4 cylinder Fusion (well actually the Mercury version) accelerated as fast a 4 cylinder Camry, and the FWD version handled the same as the AWD version.

The Ford V-6 is plenty strong and the interior is very nice. A FWD Camry equipped like my AWD Fusion would have been at least $3000 more, plus I would have had to deal with the lousy Toyota dealers in my area.

Ed

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:58:16 -0500, a rock fell the sky, hitting Leythos on the head, and inspiring the following:

My Avalanche is mid-size, has available 4WD, closed bed if needed, seating for six, gets roughly 18 mixed, has 310HP (at the flywheel), and seems to handle curves well. :P

I picked it up for around $24K new.

I'd like something a little bigger, but find F650's hard to park at the quickie mart.

Yes but I have also driven a Ferrari. ;)

mike

Obviously he was not trying to lose you LOL

mike

You have got to be kidding you were the only one racing. A Ferrari, any Ferrari will do corners at speeds your truck can not even attain. LOL

mike