Superwinch = junk

That's correct and an odd ball pull like described usually doesn't happen unless you need serious power like the 2:1 it gives and a different angle than the tow vehicle is on or a tree can get you directly.

I like doing that the opposite, use the pulley block on the tree and just go 1:1 for a pull in the direction of the tree.

It is still good to keep in mind for that next odd ball angle pull you need.

I don't think the winch cables or pulleys are rated for a 2 pulley 4:1 pull or more, something will likely give.

Mike

Nope a jacket or floor mat works great. It damps the power right out of the cable.

Mike

Yes, but you just use one tree and get a block and tackle setup.

Your way would only get you 2:1.

Mike

in theory thats great! in reality, your cable would snap.

im getting ready to put a video online thats going to shake up a lot of folks. the warn 9500i cable snaps at around 8200 pounds of force. the ramsey 9500 cable snaps at 10000 pounds of force. the warn also runs on for

LOL!

Me too!

I just got back from getting a root canal. It's been a long painful couple days with no sleep for 36 hours...

Mike

that's what an independent survey commissioned by milemarker said; unfortunately the link is no longer active.

Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

You are the gent with the small winch right?

Then you maybe should look into a block and tackle setup. Something like a two pulley block for the tree or anchor vehicle and one pulley at your front will give something like 6:1 (I think, but am too tired to think much), times the power or more important in your case 6 times less load on the winch to move whatever you are trying to move.

You would likely want an extension cable and some strong D rings and a tree saver to hook it up.

Be careful of the pull ratio and the size of your cable, as Nathan mentioned, cables do break in the 9-10,000 lb range. I don't know what yours is rated for, but if it was light, I would get heavy cable for the winch and use the smaller one doubled for the extension.

Mike

ill have the segment online soon, and you guys can determine for yourselves what you think of the results.

btw, i just ordered another copy on cd rom 4 days ago and got it in the mail today. i figured that was easier than ripping the dvd into a streamable video. dunno why it isnt working for you, works fine for me.

In certain situations, apples are better than oranges.

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Like this? (each tree has a pulley)

tree / \ tree tree / \ tree tree \ / Jeep You'd still have 2:1 ratio and you'd rip your tow hook and/or winch off your Jeep when the line pulls in one direction and the hook pulls in the other.

• * * Matt Macchiarolo
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like pie

go back and re-study Eng 101... you must have been pissed that day.

it would just have to go between the jeep and the one tree.

Your gain in pulling force is at the expense of speed. every reversal cuts your line speed in half. Then there is the little problem of cable strength, winch hardware strength... and on. Your winch was designed around a given expected force, not taking into account the multiplicative force of several blocks.

that is just a thrust vector (the block) in that case it is merely a 1:1, I don't think that was the intention.

to multiply force it has to be:

Tree | (block) | | | | | | Winch Hook

This thread is frightening. it would appear that our collective mastery of simple machines only slightly surpasses our artistic ability.

Get cracking, then.