OT History in question

How many 9/11 hijackers came from Iraq? How much money did Saddam send al Qaeda, compared to what Saudi princes and businessmen sent them? Also Saddam had no sympathy for al Qaeda, while the Saudi royal family disliked them only for the instability they brought to the Middle East.

And Jordan is one of the very few countries in the world with a clean bill of health from Amnesty International, the only such one in the Middle East.

Brutalized their own people, sponsored international terrorism (most terrorists entered Iraq through Syria), invaded Lebanon and installed a puppet government there. Perfectly innocent.

Invading Syria likely would have been a safer choice than Iraq, and if we didn't feel like invading Syria directly, we could have invaded Lebanon, where it's been heavily involved, and that would have given us the excuse that we were fighting terrorism there because it's widely known that Hezbullah and Hamas operate out of there.

Like Syria, they've had more involvement with international terrorism than Iraq under Saddam did.

And a country that had been well penned-up for a decade by US-UK overflights, international sanctions, an UN disarmament.

Your logic is as flawed as a Flat Earther's. Iraq was not only harmless but had also been a counterforce to Iran. If we wanted to attack a nation in the Middle East just to show that we were tough, we should have chosen Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, or Somalia. But what we really should have done was use the sympathy, respect, and awe we gained after 9/11 and the Afganistan invasion to broker a peace between the Israelis and Palestinians and improve relations with Iran. But GW Bush, a man without an ounce of greatness in him, didn't see the opportunity.

When I was in Jordan, the people loved us. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find Bush has screwed that up, too.

Oh, look, a reference from rec.games.diplomacy. Super. You think we're playing a game.

No, they don't support the president. Just like you supported the troops, but not Clinton. Remember?

No, they don't support the president. Just like you supported the troops, but not Clinton. Remember?

They sure don't.....

In time of war.....

How many months or years will it be before you realize how illogical that is? President starts a war, and even if the reasons for the war are 100% wrong, you still support him. That's absurd. It means you're continuing to send soldiers to their deaths for reasons you don't agree with.

You must've been happy to see your kids leave home. Good riddance. They're expendable. More potato chips for you.

That made a whole lot of sense...

It was screwed up before Bush.

This was is as much about Diplomacy as anything else, and the reason it was better to go into Iraq than anywhere else in the world.

And if we didn't?

rec.games.diplomacy

OK, now THAT'S funny. Sort of. In an Ironic way.

So, here's a question for you. How long is my passport good to get me back from Canada?

What?!?! A Peace between Israel and Palestine?!?! Like, that's going to happen.

Let's get Palestine back to the Palestinians first. Palestinian sypathizer? What was Israel called until 1948? I don't blame them for being pissed royally!

The President of Iran won't be dealt with. Not this one. I'm surprised he is the President. The Iranaians are a lot more moderate than that.

Hmmmmm....save this thought for when I'm not so tired....

It's not just that, it's the relationship between the US and S-A. It goes well beyond the Bush family's relationships.

And the Suadis were smart. They knew we wanted to go in and clean house, so they offered to take care of it themselves. a LOF of Al Qaeda was rounded up by Saudi forces, something they don't get enough credit for.

If Bin Laden is still alive I'll eat my Hachiroku...

You haven't been following what I've been saying at all, have you?

Why? You thinking George might bring back the draft?

It almost did happen in the 1990s. Those people have more in common than most realize -- no oil, lots of education, not wanted by any of the surrounding countries.

The borders of Israel are recognized by international law, and the Israelis aren't going to leave any more than the Palestinians will. So the only practical solution is a split of the territory between them.

The president of Iran has little legal authority, and the real power lies with the Supreme Leader and Council of Experts, who have been much more willing to negotiate with the US (probably only for Iran's own interests) and have been trying to communicate with us since at least 2003.

Here are annual results from Pew Research polls taken over the past

6-7 years about how foreigners feel about the US:

In 2001, 25% of Jordanians expressed a positive attitude about the US, but this dropped to 1% in 2003 but by early-mid 2006 it bounced back up to 15%.

I'll bet that Eastern Europeans like us the most, but they were't shown in the poll. Among people who were, our approval was highest

According to Pew Research polls taken over 1999-2006, our approval rating among Jordanians was only 15% in early-mid 2006, down from 25% in 2002 but up from 1% in 2003:

I've read every single word. What makes you think I haven't? The fact that I suggested two countries that aren't predominantly Islamic?