Hot direct to the starter?

I don't want the blankey-blank thing going out on me when I'm in the middle of Nowhere USA. For now I'd rather have a dead-simple thing that works.

LOL

Jan

Your old coronaries got clogged up and diseased because you ate too many fried reindeer testicles and then guzzled down that dark rum to kill the awful taste...

ROTFLMAO !!!!!

Well, that's better. But you STILL didn't FIX the original problem. What you did was a Redneck Repair (Tm) which ranks right up there with Duct tape and bailing wire. Sorry, my opinion only. It works, but you just made a dis-improvement on the car in my opinion. Not to mention that it's now probably worth less if you try to sell it. It would be obvious to the prospective buyer now, that there's something WRONG with the wiring. Which would be true.

If I had a choice, I'd rather have my heart INTACT, and in PERFECT condition. UNTOUCHED, or at least repaired with another, PERFECT heart. Just like the original.

I'm a human being, so it may not be an option for me. But it is for a car, for which parts are still available. And SOMETIMES, SOMEWHERE, there's a competent mechanic out there ready to help fix things the right way.

Sure your way works. And I have BEEN THERE.

But as long as there is a choice, as long as you CAN fix it the way it was supposed to be, you SHOULD. There's nothing, I repeat, NOTHING wrong with the way the starter circuit is wired on an old Volkswagen. If there were, they wouldn't OUTLAST most other cars out there. (come on, starter relay or not, do you seriously believe a 2000 Honda will still start flawlessly in 2040? With no electical repairs having been performed in the ign and starter cirqúit?)

LOL!!!!

Now you got me all distracted ;)

What is it, 2 weeks now? LOL

Jan

You guys always make me laff......Eric 62 Ghia w/o relay and works great. 68 Bug with coronary bypass..

By comparison to many early vehichels, they are not reliable and you know it. Maybe we should loan you the '49 Chevy and let you tour this whole USA so you can find out.

You do that :)

Yes they are reliable, compared to the cars of the 80's and many of the

:)

SIMPLE is beautiful, and reliable.

The automobile industry went to hell when it got complicated, IMHO. Computers and sub-standard components, smog equipment and cost cutting, "cool" gadgets and *desinged* lifespans reduced from 20-30 years to 6 years.

Oh well.

Jan

When I got my my '64 a few months back it had a push button thingy under the back seat. I replaced the ignition switch(burned out contacts), cut the ends off of four or five wires associated with the ignition switch, headlight, and starter, crimped and soldered new spade lugs on, and I haven't used the push button thingy since. If VW had soldered all of the spade lugs in their wiring harness we probably wouldn't be having these conversations. We'd probably still be replacing our ignition switches though. The overall design does seem a bit marginal.

I have a hot wire going from the battery to the starter with a heavy duty push button attached to the back seat rail. I have had too many high quality German key swithes fail. Also have a wire from the battery to the coil with a toggle switch on the same seat rail. I have found intermittent key switches drive me nuts. Poor performance, it may be a bad key switch causing resistance in the line to the coil. Instead of 12 plus volts you may be getting 9 to 11 volts. The reason I did it is just for back up. Engine not running correctly,I put the toggle on, now I know I am getting full voltage. Also the Starter button turns my engine much faster then the switch. In the winter I turn the key switch on then the toggle and use the push button. I like starting the first time. Joe

back seat. I replaced the ignition

with the ignition switch, headlight, and

button thingy since. If VW had soldered

these conversations. We'd probably still

Soldering in general makes the wire-to-connector joint too stiff for mobile use. When you solder the terminals on, you run a higher risk of them breaking off due to vibration. One benefit of crimp on connectors is that they allow some movement and flexing. Soldered connectors are stiff, and they break instead of flex.

If it weren't for that, I'd agree.

Jan

im with ya john...i was just throwing in my two cents....we all do to our vehicles as we please....

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.................You're gonna have to be burned at the stake Mike. The King of RAMVA is going to pour his rum all over you and then light a match............lol

Not until I have licked it off of his sweaty, salty body... I wouldn't want to let good rum go to wste ;)

Jan (Who by the way destroyed a whole bottle of dark rum tonight... lol)

...............A bypass circuit to the coil?...........hmmm.

............I actually still use my ignition switch. It still works more half the time but that button under the rear seat is a lot better than pushing like I was a brakeman on a bobsled team and then jumping inside. I'm turning 54 next week and I'm almost as worn out as that ignition switch.

Also, tidy up the contact surfaces on EACH end of BOTH ground straps... the one at the battery plus the one under the car between the body and the transmission. That's what fixed my hard start issue on my 6V 1961 car.

Yea, I have noticed how you seem to be missing a spark here and there sometimes... but it's intermittant.. maybe just a bad contact somewhere

;)

Jan

Hey, if you're gonna throw around those Redneck terms, at least spell them right. It's "baling" wire, not "bailing" wire. ;-) /spelling nazi

Didn't you just say you were getting out of the hobby? What kinds of Redneck Butchery have you been performing on your VWs to bring you to this state? :-)

Did you somehow miss that monster thread "Cost of Maintenance and Learning Curve?" :-)