Unleaded petrol mixed with Diesel in a Chrysler 2.5CRD

The message from Adrian contains these words:

This would be in states which don't hold with too much interference from The Authorities? Doesn't sound likely to me.

Guy King ( snipped-for-privacy@zetnet.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

I am not.

We can only hope not.

The terminally stupid are partially saved from themselves by the fact it's a cack-hander only, luckily.

Agreed...

"no particular mechanical issues in the near future" seems unlikely at that price.

Joe Pfeiffer ( snipped-for-privacy@cs.nmsu.edu) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

Hardly. There's a lot of very good buys with a lot of life in 'em at that price. Sure, there's a lot of shit which should already have been scrapped, but it's by no means universal.

No, you seem to think the car's crap. I think its a good vehicle. Certainly no dumber looking than the new MINI (which I also like).

Yep - each state is free to make their own laws, even if they are moronic (or controlled by labor union lobbys).

Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')

The engine will be fine, it's the fuel system that dies.

New Jersey-ites will be humored (or humoured if you're a Brit) to know that they have just been called rednecks.

Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')

The message from Joe Pfeiffer contains these words:

Two things - firstly, there are just so many new cars around that perfectly good ones are falling off the road for want of someone to own 'em - there's often really nothing wrong with cars which people just can't sell 'cos there's something better for the same sort of money. Secondly - at that price /who cares/ if there's something major wrong with it. Major faults cost more than £300 to put right - just ditch the car and have another.

Well, as one who has had several considerably cheaper cars, I'd have to argue.

And don't tell me it can't be done stateside, either. I did 1,600 miles in a $300 Cadillac Eldorado, and the only failure was a water hose (which didn't actually do any harm, was fixed in an instant despite being in some remote town in the south, and let me see proper Southern US hospitality in practice).

Richard

Depends on location. In a state with a safety inspection, generally any car that can be legally registered without major work is worth at least $1000-1500. In a state like Ohio, yeah, I believe it.

nate

I'm SURE the engine wasn't designed by MORONS but I bet the *LAWYERS* helped write the manuals!

This car will be f> IF running 3 miles on a 5:1 dilution of diesel to gasoline can ruin an

That is not the reason why. It is purely marketing. Legistlation in those countries either does not require such clean exhaust emissions and therefore the expense of those engines or as in most of America, a combination of the above with high sulphur fuel which excludes the low emissions and causes the oil to degrade faster and need changing more often. The higher sulphur content fuel is naturally a better lubricant than ultra low sulphur fuel which needs lubricity enhancers added to raise it to a set standard. Australia is late to adopt clean fuel. In fact like America it has until recently had high sulphur fuel [with excellent lubricity though] and a poor history of storage hygiene with leaky tanks with much dirt and water contamination.

Huw

They have sold CR and Unit Injector engines for donkeys years but not with the high injection pressures now utilised and not until about seven or eight years ago commonly with solenoid injectors with multiple phases per cycle. John Deere are having terrible trouble with their recently introduced CR engines allegedly. They blame UK fuel but I am willing to put some money on it [if indeed there is a problem] being universal and international. Further, these engines are industrial engines built to be robust heavy duty units not light duty car engines.

Having said all that, I would agree that these small engines should be and generally are robust and reliable. At present though, some engines do have fuel system problems. A well established example is the Isuzu 3.0 unit oil-over-fuel injected engine which has Cat type unit pump-injectors. These have had a very high incidence of catastrophic failure mainly due to injector sleaves leaking fuel into the oil and filling the crankcase with diesel until the engine literally explodes. Nissan CR engines have a high failure rate of CR systems with metal particles contaminateing the system due to component failure. I could go on about injectors, variable nozzle turbo's, excessive EGR and the damage caused etc etc..

In the UK diesel is also more expensive than petrol but that does not stop almost 50% of cars being sold with diesel engines.

Huw

Cat have started producing CR engines out of their Peterborough England factory. I have no idea who has actually taken the engine so far because we are about a year from having to use it through legistlation. Above 200hp the tier three offroad is already more strict and high pressure systems combined with four valves are now commonplace. Perhaps the Cat/Perkins 4.4 and 6.0 CR engines are used in some trucks already but I have no information regarding this yet.

Huw

I would like to think you were right but I see no evidence of a gas light having tollerance for 20% electricity.

This is fairly common even today at modern supermarket stations. It is amazing that this can happen in modern service stations but it does.

Huw

But people aren't free to pump their own gas.

Damn. Hail, snow and ice have blocked off the M4...

DAS

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