134a Refrigerant

I doubt they are wrong, but I question your interpretation of what they actually say.

Perhaps some of it, but given the reactivity of it I would imagine the vast majority gets washed out as HCl and HOCl.

Because poolbois are too stupid to understand chemistry?

Here's a site:

"Chlorine reacts with water to form Hypochlorous acid (HOC1). The reaction is different for each form of chlorine but hypochlorous acid is produced by each of those reactions and is the form in which chlorine serves best as a disinfectant. Hypochlorous acid is a weak acid and easily dissociates to an ionized hypochlorite state as shown below. HOC1 increasing pH-> H+ OC1-Hypochlorous

aw c'mon, the links _clearly_ stated that sunlight destroyed the chlorine.

so your statement is that swimming pools could account for a percentage of ozone depletion? that would be a logical deduction of your statement...

drop the elitist bullshit already. i can assure you that youre no better than anybody else in this newsgroup.

wheres the relevance? i see no direct reference to our points of difference.

thank you. this was my only point with your usage.

no doubt. its still however, _wrong_.

they are wrong as well.

its not my definition, it is the industry definition. i haven tried to make it go away. i simply stated that it was _wrong_ and it is relative here _only_ because you presented yourself as an omnipotent engineer and if youre going to set the standard that high, youd better use proper terminology.

and that is _wrong_.

and that is right.

they dont. nobody who knows the industry, anyway.

Sure I did... remember?

That's what I said.

And lest we forget:

you:

me: You don't have a clue about your limitations... imagine you, an HVAC tech, making pronouncements about atmospheric science! That shows *extreme* hubris... you deserve what you get.

You deserve what you get... remember that. __ Steve .

You didn't point them out! I'd of thought you'd be more than happy to point out my lies... unless I was not lying, and you're just trying to get out of here with your skin intact.

Too late! __ Steve .

Oh, I thought that my response was absolutely killer... remember this?

You crapped all over yourself with *that* one... =20

Suppose you post the link... no begging the question here.

And lest we forget!

you:

me: You don't have a clue about your limitations... imagine you, an HVAC tech, making pronouncements about atmospheric science! That shows *extreme* hubris... you deserve what you get.

You deserve what you get... remember that. __ Steve .

OK! Thanks for the explanation. __ Steve .

Nope... 'such as' is no limiting phrase. And it was not in the original spec. You, sir, are a dastardly welch, and not of the sporting sort.

=20

We can all read, Nate... you're welching. =20

Thanks for your admission... we can put this to rest now, right? __ Steve .

Obviously I never put chlorine in either... by your reckoning. Who else would have done it, when I was renting my sister's house? Rebuilt the filter, rebuilt the Polaris, fixed the leak... I'd have to say I knew about pools, having maintained one for several years. __ Steve .

Of course... I let folks be as girly as they want. Even when they call me a liar and throw a hissy fit about a welch on a challenge... sure, go ahead, be a pussy Nate... we're all watching! __ Steve .

nope. you just repeat the same lies. you remind me of the black knight from the holy grail. :-)

thats because youre an ignorant fool.

i have no link, but talk to a navy veteran sometime. its quite common for the navy to dump refrigerant in and under water.

LIAR! my statement was clear.

LIAR! it was in my original spec TO YOU and clearly listed even before your pitiful attempt at explaining the purpose of the HMC.

thats the beauty of it. everyone can clearly see your lies.

i enjoy spanking you with your own lies to much to let it go. :-)

its the only way to feel youre amongst peers. :-)

I thought you said they didn't exist, as in "Nobody in the Industry"

The part you snipped: "the vast majority gets washed out as HCl and HOCl." The way you like to take things out of context and spin them you must be a liberal.

I am not being elitist, I simply understand chemistry and physics far better than you. This is not a value statement of better or worse, or good or bad. I simply had educational opertunities that you may not have had.

Ok, I'll weed it out for you. From the site:

"Chlorine reacts with water to form Hypochlorous acid (HOC1). The reaction is different for each form of chlorine but hypochlorous acid is produced by each of those reactions and is the form in which chlorine serves best as a disinfectant."

AND

Hypochlorous acid is a highly unstable molecule which dissipates rapidly in the presence of sunlight. This results in considerable loss of free chlorine form pools exposed to sunlight.

Again please note they are talking about "dissipation" and "loss", not "destruction". Also, the key term is "free chlorine". The word free in this case is not a superfluous modifier, it is a key part of the term.

nobody who knows anything about the industry anyway. its simple really. call your local refrigeration supplier and ask them. the only people who use "freon" to describe refrigerant are people who know nothing about refrigeration.

c'mon jeff im taking you at face value and if you look i did not take anything out of context and spin it....i simply ASKED YOU A QUESTION! here was my QUESTION:

"so your statement is that swimming pools could account for a percentage of ozone depletion?"

that is not spinning anything or taking your statement out of context so stop making shit up. that is a SIMPLE QUESTION and nothing more.

now on that question....i asked you _clearly_: "where is it going (referencing swimming pool chlorine)....the ozone?" and your response was "perhaps some of it". BASED UPON THAT, my QUESTION to you is a very reasonable and logical deduction and ill ask it again and request a direct response please. is your statement that swimming pools COULD account for a percentage of ozone depletion?

yes you are. your "poolboi" reference is a "i am better than you" statement. to this point we simply disagree and id really HATE to reach the point of classifying you as a liar along with stephen. cut the bullshit already, your implications in the "poolboi" references are clear.

much in the same way id bet ive forgotten more about refrigeration than you. that doesnt mean i should look down my nose at you for it.

fine, hypochlorous acid dissipates rapidly in sunlight. that does not support your statement that chlorine does not also dissipate. please provide links directly addressing the subject of our disagreement.