134a Refrigerant

Hey, great! Thanks for the compliment! __ Steve .

If you look closely, that's the exact same equation I just finished describing for you... only I used words, and you used Google. You may have passed an equation, but you certainly didn't pass Calculus. __ Steve "i recognize my limitations and immediately own it (sic)."... Nate .

What seminars, welch?

Why not? You used the manual for your leak detector to try to make a case for the impossibility of stratospheric CFC's, something that has been measured for decades. And the 'telling the same lie' thing is starting to look like transferrence... lots of 'you wish' going on here. You're a case, Nate... we all understand that now.

Yeah, you're right... it only takes a few posts for *anyone* to determine how full of s*it you are. My bull-baiting is probably just gilding the lily.

Deeper, Nate... dig the hole deeper! __ Steve "i recognize my limitations and immediately own it (sic). " -- Nate .

lol you really desperate to find ANY type of victory! :-) youre pitiful stephen! :-) cryo has nothing to do with commercial refrigeration. you find me ANY company in montana who handles cryo. you cant.

lol youve dont NOTHING more than mention the name! give me working pressures. give me componentry. give me the PMB.

you dont know ANY of that, so run do a google and see if you can find anything out.

lol coming from the biggest LIAR in the newsgroup i wont let that statement bother me to much. :-)

lol not only are you a LIAR but you are an ignorant fool! sure it can be bypassed......that was my initial statement asshole......but you still have to regulate the pressure and your ridiculous "two valves and a straight pipe" (BUWAHAHA!) is totally assinine and ill just bet you cant even tell me why.

LIAR. try again.

and we have all read your LIES, liar.

its so fun making a fool of you. :-)

nope, but im getting ready to order another new jeep. :-)

your liberal seminars, the ones that actually convinced you that the rest of the world is to stupid to see through your LIES.

lol you really are a stupid s*it. i asked you for a credible source, you provide me with links containing "proudliberal" in the domain and then you defend it, claiming its a valid source of unbiased information.

here, im going to whack you over the head with a clue-by-four. NOTHING coming from a liberals mouth is unbiased (or honest in most cases).

yup, written by ENGINEERS within the industry. its funny how you used to keep stressing "ENGINEERS" but when i pointed out that those same manuals refuting your claims were written by engineers your dropped it. LOL! :-)

its my pleasure to dig your hole deeper. :-) tell me again about the two valves and piece of pipe. BUWAHAHA! :-)

Stevie, you left out the whole volume variable as read on the stick:

Why must there be liberal seminars? Why must I have attended them? Why are you so dense?

Spin some more... dizzy is a good look for you.

You know... we could have told that about you from the get-go... but we wanted to prove it to the masses. You are what you despise... blatant transferrence.

Within the atmospheric science industry? Limitiations, Nate! Own them! The engineers that wrote your leak detector manual believe in atmospheric science... why don't you?

Tell me again about how the sun degrades chlorine! Don't forget to add the part about how mixing something makes it heavier... also add the part about how a compound and a mixture are the same thing. __ Steve "i recognize my limitations and immediately own it (sic). " -- Nate .

Let's look at what I posted:

For the less-than-half full case: Half he area of the circular face minus the quantity twice the area of the triangle plus twice the area of the pie wedge

For the more-than-half-full case: Half the area of the circular face, plus twice the area of the triangle, plus twice the area of the pie wedge.

Then times the length. Easy, wasn't it?

I mentioned the liquid level earlier... really the most trivial part of the equation, we know we're starting with a stick reading, don't we? I was most interested in hearing whether you understood the decomposition of the equation.

When you mentioned 'logarithms' the answer was complete: you haven't a clue.

Bill, just because you can't read with comprehension doesn't mean that my analysis was wrong. And if you can find *anywhere* in your posted equation using logs, I'll eat my hat.

And once again, I have to blow your little expectations away... didn't you get the hint when I said 'stick the tanks, read the pumps'? How many times do you think *I've* done that?

I've worked at many service stations, I'm an expert tire installer/repairman, I can do truck tires as well as fuel/service/wash trucks. My first job was at a Conoco in Lubbock... remember the five- position mixer pumps? We had those... don't remember the old man's name, but he had a class act... only used SprayWay and blue towels on the windshields. Busted my first tire on his manual tire machine, really just a post bolted to the concrete with a spin-down cone and a slip-on bead breaker. Worked at a BF Goodrich tire dealer for a year... I can run a Coats 4040a in my sleep. Hunter balancer. Worked at a Gulf station in Austin for a year (my parents were Gulf/Chevron jobbers). Worked for a year at the Texaco truck stop, 183 and IH35... that's where I learned truck tires and ran a service truck. I'm leaving out some more SS jobs... My last SS attendant job was at the Exxon in Alpine, TX... just out of college, 1998. Did oil change, lube, car wash... washing cars is good exercise! Customer relations is perhaps the most important part of the front/fueling operation... skills that have served me well in later life. __ Steve "i recognize my limitations and immediately own it (sic)."... Nate .

What does that have to do with your knowlege? You didn't specify, you just said that the only thing you didn't know about refrigeration was geo. I busted your chops. Get over it, wuss.

I've given enough... until you start talking, instead of asking, just kiss my ass and Google me.

Why would I even bother? You don't tell us anything... I wanna be just like you!

Dig it deeper! You have a business on the line!

No, 'substitute' and 'bypass' are two different things, Nate... let me educate you on that one. One is a working equivalent, the other is a shunt. I suggested a shunt... you started screaming about 'low ambient', which was *never* a *limiting condition* in any post originating this challenge. Why argue so hard about this? Because I'm right.. no low ambient means no head pressure control necessary... you may have to remove refrigerant to make this work, I specified this and it addresses the 'regulation issue' you bring up above.

OK, here's the mistake I made on the valve thing... there are no valves that are good enough.... notice the complete lack of same in any system. It has to be a sweat connection. This means that the entire system has to be evacuated in order to work on it, big PITA. Even the injection points, the ones that use Schrader valves, have caps on them.

You don't. It's just a plain fact. Believe it. I maintained cryo systems for five years for NRAO... no cert here. It uses dry helium... harmless gas, although expensive.

Keep saying it... nobody believes it, but it makes you look worse every time you do it. We can all read.

The only fool here, your momma made.

Here's a *free* clue... another new vehicle won't give you happiness. After all your purchases, you still don't see this. __ Steve "i recognize my limitations and immediately own it (sic)."... Nate .

Would Air Liquide America in East Helena count? BTW, My little brother is a cryo tech thanks to uncle and the USAF. I understand a sealed gallon jug of LOX set on the tarmac can make one hellacious Whump.

lol, burns that youre busted huh? :-)

TRANSLATION --> "youre right, nate"

the engineers who wrote the manual clearly stated to check below the suspected leak because refrigerant _falls_. :-)

the links i quoted make it clear. prove it doesnt.

LIAR! i never said they were the same thing. i elaborated a little to help clear it up for your stupid ass using "mixture" generically. grasp boy, grasp....it looks good on you. :-)

no. air liquide is a gas distributor. you can buy the same gasses at most any welding supply store.

You're out of your rabbit a** mind! What does a area of a pie wedge have to with calculating the volume of a storage tank usually measured via the dip stick??????????? Which is the variable! Why do you think the sin of the arc was needed??????????? Remember why we used sin, cosine and tangent?

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Stephen Cowell wrote:

Bill, To complicate things I think his original question was about a horizontal cylinder. He then made reference to sticking a fuel tank which generally is a horizontal cylinder with convex semi-hemispherical endcaps.

Just which does he want the volume of?

it changes depending upon what youve already proven wrong. :-)

No... I might even attend one, if you could point one out to me. Any idea where I could find one?

See? Completely dizzy.

Limitations! You don't have a clue! Own them!

Chlorine is an element... the only way to degrade it would be to split its nucleus... that's pretty hard to do. Or you might add some nucleons... otherwise, it will stubbornly continue being chlorine, no matter what you do to it.

I'm flattered! Such a quick study... for a spinning welcher. Next time you copy me, try to inject some brains into the discourse. Borrow some, is what I'm saying. __ Steve .

See? No grasp of Now consider the area outside of the segment. That is, we want the area of a portion of the circle. If we measure z in degrees we want the portion of the circle that takes up 360 - 2z degrees of the circle. So, the fraction we are dealing with here is:

If you drew the picture, you'd see the pie wedge... two of them, actually. Comprende?

Is that a statement, or a question? I can't make sense of it either way, anyway...

For the logarithm of the square of the mare?

All I read is arcsin, Bill... btw, do you have any clue what the difference is? Could you possibly explain to me why anyone would need to use an arcsin function?

I noticed that you dropped the subject of:

Busted your huevos thoroughly on that one! __ Steve "i recognize my limitations and immediately own it (sic)."... Nate .

The ones I've seen have been right circular cylinders, in repose. We can do the spherical endcaps as an exercise later...

You have a comprehension problem as well? __ Steve .

The peanut gallery chimes in! What else would you have to add to this erudite discussion, Nate? __ Steve .