Saxo VTR induction kit?

Well that's not really the point :) I wouldn't touch one with a barge-pole, but that doesn't stop it being an excellent car.

So you're saying you'd rather a 205 1.9 Gti, than a Civic Type-R ? Really ?

Stoppit :)

For a younger driver, I rekon the Porsche will cost more.

Not for younger drivers, which is what we were originally referring to.

Firstly, because groups have much more effect on a young driver's premium - as you've probably found, the groupings don't mean much when you're a bit older.

Secondly, because newer cars carry lower groupings than older cars. Let's look a mundane Turbo cars of a sensible size.

1990 Sierra Cosworth, Group 20, £1040 p.a. 1995 Rover 620 TI, Group 17, £568 p.a. 2004 Astra Coupe Turbo, Group 15, £512 p.a. See the pattern developing here ? A modern car has to either be RIDICULOUSLY quick, or doing something VERY wrong, to obtain itself as high a group rating.

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Hell, yes. Even a 1.6 205GTi. Crackin' little car, and utterly *gorgeous* to look at, unlike the Civic.

Years ago, my then-boss had a then-current Civic VTi - about K-reg. Gorgeous engine, shame about the rest of the car.

You Sir, are a crazy mofo :)

What an excellent thread this turned out to be :)

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If you were to see my fleet, you'd realise what an understatement that is. But better a crazy mofo than a sheep.

Nice cheap and cheap to run family wagon

Who wouldn't?

I'd have a well restored and tidied (ie decent suspension) Lotus Sunbeam than any modern hatch (excepting 1 series)

Aghhh! You actually WANT WWD*!

• Wrong Wheel Drive (c) Martin

Wow it weighs the same as a 1988 Vauxhall Carlton 2.0l injection!

Yes it weighs the same as a 1980-90s executive

I think the GTE should have its own sub catagory.

Me :) Possible exception M3.

I don't actually care which end is driven - 4WD is my preference, but either alternative is fine. As long as I can get from A to B at a reasonable pace without dying, then all is well.

Yep - it's a good job it makes *stacks* more power, otherwise it wouldn't be particularly quick. There's nothing wrong with a bit of weight, providing the rest of the car can cope with it...

Me.

The Astra GTE isnt that bad a car. And the rust makes it very light :) I have a soft spot for the 200s, and would love a Turbo hatchback, that why I put them in the list.

Hell yes, even an early 80s one! The 4 pot M3 is a stormer of a car, much better than a 106. The 325i is also fairly swift and buckets of fun and I'd probably still take that BMW. However I'd probably chose the 106 over the

318iS because you're starting to lose some of the power/torque that makes the car amusing. The 106s go-kart like handling might just win it there.

So? Why would I care about that? I buy a car because I like it, not coz someone else does! I'm not saying the 106 GTi isnt a good car, I never said that, my point was you could get quicker cars that were cheaper and therefore better value for money. You dont seem to understand this. No one said anything about having a million air bags, lots of electrickery, modern safety features etc etc, performance was the only factor mentioned.

Ew :) Diesel's are crap - the V6 is better. (just to drag this thread in yet another direction)

But the point (well, my point anyway) was that for a young person, the insurance on the VTR was going to be better than any of the other things listed.

I ran mums Triumph Acclaim :) The car control learning curve was steep, but i think it did me good. I.e. - In the wet, it didn't handle, and you never knew which end would break away first, it gave no clues and followed no patterns....

Rar :)