Anti-social vehicle - test case

Aghhh the suicide birds - one year they were manic and getting squashed left right and centre - Darwinism????

One group I thought had cleared but bump I ran one over - it ran under the car wheel!!!!

Rabbits and headlights!

Horrible I had a rabbit run under a front wheel on a bike - horrible - I could not serve out of the way

So is a footpath.

So why don't you include cycle tracks, bridleways and footpaths when you quote road length statistics, as you have done often in the past?

Because you, like me, the DfT and everybody else, know exactly what the word "road" means in current English usage. And a cycle path ain't a road, except in some pedantic legal sense.

What's vague about the term "pavement"? It may be vague legally, but the HC is not a statement of law, and everybody knows what a pavement is.

Jim.

I include whatever is included by the authorities, which tends to be those roads that they maintain.

Where does it say cycle tracks are excluded?

A friend of mine works for the Mobility Advice and Vehicle Information Service (MAVIS - a backronym if ever I saw one!).

Some of the adaptations are very clever indeed.

Guy

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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

Ooh look, everybody, it's the old "speed-cameras-are-fund-raisers" canard! Haven't seen that one in the wild for some weeks!

Ooh look, everybody, it's the old "speed-cameras-replace-traffic-plod" canard! Haven't seen that one in the wild for some weeks!

Guy

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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

You can't infer anything about the behaviour of 7-11 year olds in 1971 by looking at the behaviour of 5-10 year olds in 1975/76.

You chose not to add:-

Females aged 11-17: 56 miles cycling per year Males aged 11-17: 226 miles cycling per year

Those figures are perfectly consistent with large numbers cycling to school in 1975/76, never mind 1971.

Since most of this sub-thread seems to have been fuelled by anecdotal evidence, I may as well add that the large comprehensive I attended, which was built in the late '60s, had absolutely huge bikesheds, probably big enough for all 1,500 pupils to use. Though largely empty by the time I went there in the mid-'80s, some people I know who attended the school about ten years earlier (i.e. my brother and sister) assure me that the sheds were much used in their day (and I assume they mean for keeping bikes in!)

Jim.

Because you mentioned junior school children.

No. They are only consistent with a fair proportion of Secondary School boys cycling to school.

Jesus, you mean you ran a bird over? Well I draw the line at that.

You should look at how you drive / cycle if you find you're killing things and are unhappy about it.

Er, what ?

Those are both YOUR problems ! You can hardly expect other people to change their lifestyles, in order to accomodate YOUR issues !

Lets say reasonable sleeping hours, are between the hours of 12:00 midnight, and 7:00am. Are you saying they drive their loud cars past your house, within this period ?

Many of whom are age 11, none of whom are age 5 or 6, so why only give the figure for 5-10 year olds?

It's very noticeable from the figures that school children cycle a lot more as they get older, which is precisely what we'd expect. In

1975/76, cycle usage dropped off sharply after school leaving age, with 16-20 year olds only cycling about half as much as 11-15 year olds (see

The figures I gave (reinforced by the new info above) are consistent with very large numbers of secondary school boys, moderately high numbers of secondary school girls and all junior school children, and only very small numbers of primary school children cycling to school.

Which adds up to a lot.

Jim.

You think that's bullshit? Try it and see.

It isn't about changing "lifestyles" it's about not causing annoyance to the world around him.

Don't tell me, your one of these people who has to inflict their existence on everyone around them as well aren't you?

It was a proper bike - one with an engine!!

And rabbits swerve to be run over

So unadopted roads are not roads? Pull the other one.

You tell me where it says they are *included* - they are your figures.

Do you know if the figures you quote for road lengths include bridleways, which, according to you, are also "roads"?

Jim.

I'm sure we've all tried non-existing at one time or another, but it doesn't usually work - or at least, not for very long.

I think, if I was hypersensitive to sound, I would wear ear plugs. Particularly when sleeping.

Yeah, I know. It's one thing on an empty motorway when something runs out, because the laws of physics come into play. It's generally all decided for you, not as if you can reasonably drive slowly on the motorway to avoid stuff like that.

Country lanes and things an animal may pop out with little warning, but it's usually the case that you are going too fast if you can't stop. Most animals have the sense not to run *into* the road when there is a noisy vehicle on it, it's the ones who wandered onto the road and are now sitting motionlessly, hoping the noisy predator won't notice them that I find to be a problem. I suppose something being chased by something else may risk fleeing across the path of a vehicle and the predator might follow it, but this doesn't seem to happen around here.

If something runs out because you aren't nearby, and you are then unable to stop then you probably were going too fast for that road. Course, you may not care about that, plenty don't, and when it's wild animals there's no legal issues and nature provides more of them to keep the populations relatively stable. Not really a fan of it myself, though, and that's before mentioning the damage they might do to my car.

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Yes.

MrBitsy

I think if everyone considered other people instead of just themselves a better place this world would be . Why should I or anyone else have to wear ear plugs just because some brainless selfish bastard want's to come down our street at 3am in a morning with all his/her car windows open and the stereo blasting out so loud that people in the next city could probably here it !! . Why do pubs and clubs need to have their music of one kind or another turned up at full and have all their doors and windows open polluting the area within a mile of the pub with the noise . There just isn't any need for all the unnecessary noise that is emitted in this country to day and new laws should be made preventing it . Grant .